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Grex > Coop6 > #8: New addition in newuser needed | |
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steve
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New addition in newuser needed
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Sep 17 16:05 UTC 1994 |
Because of the problems with people sending huge files into
Grex lately, I've come up with a new section for newuser, that
I think should come directly after the declaration of principals.
We need to get this info out to people so we don't have more
9M files FTP'd into Grex (one person has done it three times now).
The following is one screen long. WHat do people think of it?
Corrections, etc?
About Grex's Internet connection and its limitations:
Grex should not be thought of as an "Internet provider". All of
our Internet traffic goes over *one tiny modem line*. This means
that not only can Grex compete for the title of "Most Abused
Internet Link Modem", it means that we are completely saturated!
Because of this, we ask that
- You not send large files to or from Grex, via mail or FTP;
- That you do not subscribe to large mailing lists here;
- That you pick up mail promptly, and not let your mailbox become
a shining example of electronic corpulance.
Also, Grex does not allow non-members outgoing Internet access,
so this means that telnet, FTP, IRC, etc. will not work for you.
If you are interested in porting software here, remember that
outgoing IP access will be denied. If the package is large, it
would be nice to check with staff@cyberspace.org first...
Lastly, please do not bring over SPARC binaries! Grex is a ancient
steam-driven MC68020 machine that can do nothing with them.
* thanks from the staff of Grex *
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steve
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response 1 of 83:
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Sep 17 16:05 UTC 1994 |
I'd like to put this in really soon.
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popcorn
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response 2 of 83:
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Sep 17 16:31 UTC 1994 |
Very well phrased! I was worried about scaring people with a list of
no-nos. Your screenful isn't scary at all. Thanks!
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remmers
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response 3 of 83:
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Sep 17 19:47 UTC 1994 |
I'd shorten it a bit and make it sound a little more welcoming.
How about:
Grex welcomes users from everywhere on the internet, but
because of our small internet bandwidth, we should not be
thought of as an "internet provider". Because of this, we ask
that you please
- not send large files to or from Grex by mail or FTP;
- not subscribe to large mailing lists here;
- pick up your mail promptly and not let is accumulate.
Also, most outgoing internet services are currently restricted
to dues-paying members; this means that telnet, FTP, IRC, etc.
will not work for you.
If you are interested in porting software here, remember that
outgoing IP access will be denied. If the package is large,
please check with staff@cyberspace.org first. Also, since Grex
runs on an MC68020 machine, SPARC binaries will not work.
I omitted the witticisms in the interest of brevity. Also, I added
the phrase "currently restricted" since outgoing access for non-
members is due to be liberalized.
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kentn
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response 4 of 83:
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Sep 17 20:32 UTC 1994 |
It might help to give some indication of what is considered a "large"
file. To some it's anything over 100K, to others anything over 10meg.
Also a "large mailing list" may be interpreted as a list with many
members rather than one that generates a lot of traffic (the two not
necessarily resulting in the same effect on disk usage).
Otherwise, it's a great idea. Go for it!
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steve
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response 5 of 83:
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Sep 18 00:48 UTC 1994 |
Sniff. I *liked* the idea of a steam-driven computer. ;-)
Good point Kent, about size limits.
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remmers
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response 6 of 83:
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Sep 18 01:54 UTC 1994 |
Oh, I won't have a fit if you put "steam-driven computer" back in.
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jdg00
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response 7 of 83:
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Sep 18 04:19 UTC 1994 |
Steve got in first. I thought "steam-driven" was terrific! It should
replace the Breakfast Food of Champions in the Login prompt!
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tsty
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response 8 of 83:
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Sep 18 07:47 UTC 1994 |
Umm, I thought there was a guideline about "large" that made 50K + a
"large" file. Above that size, there needed to be, or should be, some
sort of staff notification, evenif for no more than general courtesy.
Is it correct to presume that the 2nd and 3rd 9-Meg files were brought
in +after+ staff said "excuse me?"
For one thing that would involve more than 10 HOURS to download (even
I'm not that bonkers).
If the large files were sparc binaries, someone needs a direct clue,
perhaps more direct than usual.
As usual, and to Grex's public benefit, some policy stuff is "solved"
at the moment rather then by some proscribed prohibition carved in stone.
'Course we are in the steam age now, so some perns might try to press
the limits. Just be careful of the boiler pressure .......... <g>.
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gregc
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response 9 of 83:
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Sep 18 12:13 UTC 1994 |
SSteve, although *I* appreciated the witticisms, my immediate feeling was
that they were really in-jokes to a computer-savy audience. However, we
are trying for a larger audience in newuser, and I too feel that they
might go over the head of, and confuse, a non-computer literate newuser.
I'd agree with John on this one, but I think the wording needs to be alittle
more stern than what John used. In addition, it wouldn't hurt to put
back in the fact that all our internet traffic goes over 1 28.8K SLIP
line. That will let alot of people understand right off what they can,
and can't, do here. Besides, you must have flunked your tech writing
class: Never put words like "corpulence" in something meant for general
consumption. :-)
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popcorn
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response 10 of 83:
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Sep 18 15:32 UTC 1994 |
Hm. I liked the witticisms. They're what made the text sound less
threatening.
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srw
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response 11 of 83:
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Sep 18 15:56 UTC 1994 |
I'm with John and Greg. I enjoyed the witticisms, but John's version
does a better job of addressing the issues. I'd like to see the
reference to the 28.8k SLIP line remain in, too.
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remmers
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response 12 of 83:
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Sep 18 18:44 UTC 1994 |
My version isn't threatening - after all, I do say "please". When
you're writing stuff that you actually want people to remember, my
rule is to make it clear and succinct.
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kentn
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response 13 of 83:
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Sep 18 19:08 UTC 1994 |
"28.8K SLIP line" is a phrase used by the computer-savvy, also.
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jdg00
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response 14 of 83:
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Sep 18 19:45 UTC 1994 |
yes, it's far more technical than "steam driven" -- at least, for those
living in this century rather than the last one.
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gregc
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response 15 of 83:
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Sep 18 20:01 UTC 1994 |
Yes, "28.8K SLIP line" is more technical than "steam driven", "corpulence",
etc, most non-tech people will just recognize it as a block of technobable
and skip over it. On the other hand, they may not recognize the other stuff
as techno-humor and it will therefore only serve to confuse, tather than
enlighten.
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tsty
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response 16 of 83:
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Sep 19 04:15 UTC 1994 |
I'd say we ought ot leave at least +one+ little compu-technogeek "in"
joke included.
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rcurl
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response 17 of 83:
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Sep 19 06:02 UTC 1994 |
Shall we have a vote on which one to include?
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sarrica
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response 18 of 83:
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Sep 21 00:46 UTC 1994 |
I like wit. The world needs more.
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remmers
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response 19 of 83:
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Sep 21 01:05 UTC 1994 |
j enigma
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wh
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response 20 of 83:
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Sep 25 03:43 UTC 1994 |
I suggest we adopt remmers version for the sake of brevity
and add back in witticisms "steam-driven" and "corpulence".
That is only for the object of space. I really liked sTeve's
version.
Will this show the first time only that newuser's log in,
or everytime they log in?
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steve
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response 21 of 83:
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Sep 25 03:53 UTC 1994 |
Just that first time when they're running newuser.
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rcurl
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response 22 of 83:
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Sep 25 07:00 UTC 1994 |
Are we going to implement the 1 M file limit, as was much discussed
in some previous coop incarnation? That would, of course, trip out
the 9 M uploads (and they might not even be tried, if it is mentioned
in newuser).
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ajax
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response 23 of 83:
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Feb 24 18:55 UTC 1995 |
I just read this item for the first time. Do folks feel
it would still be a good idea to add a "please don't abuse
our net link" screen to newuser, or have the problems that
sparked the idea waned since September?
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steve
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response 24 of 83:
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Feb 24 23:00 UTC 1995 |
Unforunately, yes.
And, it needs to be expanded to a 'general resource guide' for
Grex. More and more, I'm finding a) SPARC binaries, which can't
work here, telnet/ftp sources, because people think that they can
get around the kernel block this way, c) generally huge mail files
because people uuencode .ZIP files and send copies to people on Grex,
d) shared .GIF files.
We really *really* need to stress that Grex is not an Internet
provider, and as such, we aren't a good place for storing things, or
a good place to handle large amounts of email.
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