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Grex > Coop6 > #60: Make candidates opinions available via Lynx? | |
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robh
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Make candidates opinions available via Lynx?
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Dec 22 03:40 UTC 1994 |
My housemate just posed me a question, and I thought I'd pose it
to everyone here in turn.
Would it make things easier for our members if the candidates
for the next Board election each answered a selection of
questions, and this information was made available on a
hypertext page via Lynx? (I don't know how easy it would be
to do this with the menu shell, any comments?)
This way, anyone could call up this page, and easily read what
each candidate's stand on the issues was. The hypertext
programming needed would be trivial, the hardest part would
be getting the answers out of the candidates. >8)
What does everyone think of this idea?
If so, what questions should the candidates answer?
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steve
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response 1 of 38:
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Dec 22 04:34 UTC 1994 |
Its not a bad idea, and of course anyone could do it. The only
problem I'd have is if we forced candidates to do this. So I think
it should be an initiative of an individual, and we'll all see how
it goes from there...
Maybe candidates should just create some text and leave it at
that. Having a list of questions has never realyl impressed me, but
maybe I'm weird.
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mdw
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response 2 of 38:
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Dec 22 05:30 UTC 1994 |
I think this could be done in an ordinary item too...
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cicero
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response 3 of 38:
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Dec 22 06:27 UTC 1994 |
I'm not sure if hypertext would be all that helpful, but it would be fun! :)
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rcurl
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response 4 of 38:
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Dec 22 07:25 UTC 1994 |
Another possibility, suggested by LeAnn this evening, would be to
add another option to the vote program, which called up the *statements*
solicited from candidates specifically for that purpose. I believe
that the board should adopt a motion specifying that such statements
would be requested of candidates, but it is otherwise a pretty normal
procedure in elections in most organizations. STeve in #1 raises
the question of whether this might be forcing candidates to do it,
but it would not have to be required - so a "no statement" could be
entered for a candidate.
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steve
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response 5 of 38:
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Dec 22 07:44 UTC 1994 |
Now, perhaps I'm splitting the hairs of the angels that can argue
on the head of a pin, but if we put statements into a piece of system
software like vote, isn't that sanctioning things? I know, PicoSpan
is one of the systems programs too, but I see a difference. I wonder
how off base people think I am on this?
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carson
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response 6 of 38:
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Dec 22 08:38 UTC 1994 |
perhaps a separate program called "candidates?"
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rcurl
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response 7 of 38:
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Dec 22 15:52 UTC 1994 |
For elections, statements would just be each candidate's statement,
so STeve's problem ("sanctioning" the issue) would not apply. For
motions/resolutions, the usual procedure is to have both a PRO
and an AGAINST statement posted. Of course, the proponent of the
proposal can write the PRO. Often there is a identifiable person
AGAINST to write that statement, but if there isn't, a "neutral"
person thinks of everything against the idea, and writes the AGAINST.
Works better than you might think - in fact, on a system like this,
the "antis" could massage their AGAINST statement in open forum
in an item, to perfect it! Re #6: so, why not have "candidates"
callable from "vote"?
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mju
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response 8 of 38:
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Dec 22 19:29 UTC 1994 |
Uh, in most elections I've dealt with, there is a specific rule
against campaigning within a certain distance of the polls. I'd
think that putting platforms into the vote program would be
violating this general rule.
A platforms item in coop, on the other hand, wouldn't be a bad idea.
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kentn
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response 9 of 38:
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Dec 22 19:35 UTC 1994 |
A link of a platforms item from coop to agora might also be a good
thing (how many members know about coop cf?).
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andyv
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response 10 of 38:
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Dec 22 21:01 UTC 1994 |
I think the campaigning distance at the polls is to protect people from
being harrassed. That doesn't apply here. The question is how easy is
it to get the info on the candidates when you want it? When I want to
vote, I want the info.
Rather than for or against statements, I want resumes. I want to know what
expertise the candidates have and the resumes of the other board members.
Will we have an accountant type, hardware type, software type, legal eagle,
etc.?
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rcurl
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response 11 of 38:
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Dec 22 22:12 UTC 1994 |
THank you Andy. I was writing what you say in your first paragraph, when
the system crashed. I would only add that you *are* allowed to bring
candidates statements into the polling place and booth.
But there is a point of confusion in the 2nd paragraph. For and
against statements are for voting on motions. Candidates statements
are not "for or against" - they are just statements. Resumes are
a good addition, though most candidates have included what they've
been and done in their statements. In some instances, a candidates
statement is formally divided into a) a resume, and b) a "platform".
That format might be a little stricter than desirable in a volunteer
organization. If the candidate statement requirement is to include
both a description of their experience and of their positions on issues
with which Grex is concerned (leaving that open), we would learn both.
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andyv
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response 12 of 38:
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Dec 24 09:40 UTC 1994 |
Too bad there isn't a way to find out what other members have to offer in
the way of knowledge. I know other non-profits seek to fill board seats
with people in the community who have special expertise which would be
needed. but 90 people isn't a large pool of people.
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robh
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response 13 of 38:
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Dec 24 13:48 UTC 1994 |
From my experience, when Grex needs someone to take care of a
problem, either someone with those skills steps forward, or
they don't and it doesn't get done. Usually someone steps
forward.
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rcurl
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Dec 24 20:17 UTC 1994 |
Without getting into details - there are well known "stages" in the
evolution of non-profit board, and Grex is in stage 1, the "participant"
board, on which the members are also the ones doing a lot of the work. A
later stage is the "institutional board", where most of the board are
community leaders, who find and develop resources for the non-profit, and
the doers are volunteers and paid staff. The problem of getting experts in
needed areas (law, for example) on a small, "participants" board, is that
there is not enough for them to do, unless they are also participants. The
speed of these evolutions can be slow or fast, depending also on the
effort put into growing, or not. (There is a discipline of "board
development" because of the importance of non-profits in many social areas
of education, health, social work, etc.)
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chelsea
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response 15 of 38:
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Dec 24 21:34 UTC 1994 |
Merry Christmas, STeve.
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steve
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response 16 of 38:
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Dec 24 23:41 UTC 1994 |
Well, I'll be one to fight to see that we stay a "participant" board
forever then. We Don't Have To Crumble The Way Of Other Organizations.
Iccky.
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kentn
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Dec 24 23:49 UTC 1994 |
Are you saying we shouldn't grow, become better at meeting our
organizational goals, and use the skills of our members, users, and
citizens of the community to better that community? Becoming bigger
and better will necessitate changes in grex's operation, perhaps even
in how the board operates.
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andyv
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response 18 of 38:
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Dec 25 00:47 UTC 1994 |
A participant board looks like it is going to be here for quite a while
longer anyway. So, can we ask some experts in the community outside Grex
to volunteer some much needed information. How about AARP? That help
would be free and likely very helpful
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steve
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Dec 25 05:38 UTC 1994 |
Kent, I want those things, but I also want the smaller more
free-wheeling aspects of our surrent system. I think it can be
done, too. I *know* all about ossified boards that have members
on it who aren't at all connected with the realities of the group.
I've been there. *Thats* what I don't want to see here.
Can we improve things? Sure! SHould we grow--I think so. But,
and this is the Big But, we can do it in ways that keep this place
resembling what we looked like years ago, in the future.
It isn't easy to do, but we can do it if we want to.
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rcurl
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response 20 of 38:
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Dec 25 20:58 UTC 1994 |
For your consideration, STeve, I offer the following thoughts on the
transition from a participants to an institutional board. One of the early
steps is creating more officer positions, to make an "executive committee"
(EC). This becomes the body that carries out the daily business of the
organization, reporting to the board and getting their guidance from the
board. Initially, the board would probably still be participants, but they
would be just slightly removed from conducting "business", but still in
control of policy. One advantage is getting more member involvment,
without creating a larger board.
Then, as time goes on and the EC becomes more adept, they become the group
that really knows what's going on, and they tend more to seek support from
the board for what they think should be done. The board becomes more
advisory, and less participatory. Then is when the door is open to seek
community leaders to lend their knowledge and contacts in support of the
organizatiion. I'm not sure if this is what you refer to as an "ossified"
board, but I would point out tht the active functions you envisage would
have only been transferred to an EC, which makes most of the decisions,
though with the support of the board.
The role of the membership in Grex could remain the same, but now electing
the EC (and still with referendum powers). (I'm not laying out a specific
scenario for Grex in these imaginings, but just indicating the normal
course of evolution of an organization as they get bigger, handle more
money, need to hire staff, etc. If you don't want Grex to get that big, by
the way, stop trying to expand functionality and connectivity.)
Well, the Mayor might not be willing to serve as an advisor, out of
fairness to all non-profits in town, but maybe the Manager of the local
Ameritech office, for his/her communications industry knowledge? Or, the
Director of the Public Library? A board with community leaders on it is
*WAY* down the road for Grex, but it is a thought to consider, to the
extent that we think we do serve an important community function.
Since this is the "candidates opinion" opinion Item, I'd like to ask them
to ponder the future this far ahead, and indicate their general
inclinations for growth and change in managing the business of the
organization.
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remmers
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response 21 of 38:
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Dec 27 12:45 UTC 1994 |
I agree that the question of the directions in which we want Grex to move
is something that we need to consider very carefully, now that Grex is
clearly here to stay, is financially stable, and not worrying how it's
going to make it from one month to the next. Rane paints a picture of
one possible direction. Is it what we want, though?
(I'm not sure this is an official "candidates opinion" item.
I thought it was an item to discuss a possible method for
publishing candidates' opinions.)
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andyv
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response 22 of 38:
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Dec 27 15:40 UTC 1994 |
I guess it is time to make another place for the latest candidats' opinions
because after all the discussion some opinions may need clarification. If
no one has done it already, I'll make one now.
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scg
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response 23 of 38:
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Jan 3 08:14 UTC 1995 |
I would certainly welcome input on the issues facing Grex from anybody,
user or not, but in my mind using the system is a clear prerequisite for
being on the board. People who don't use Grex don't have the same
connection to the system that users do, and I don't see the need for a
board of "Community leaders" rather than Grexers.
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andyv
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response 24 of 38:
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Jan 3 17:48 UTC 1995 |
Welcoming input is one thing, but seeking out input from knowledgable
business people is another. Business decisions many times don't require
a person to use the system. Community leaders are not the people I
would consider as prospective board members unless they had skill in
an area of business which was lacking on the board.
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