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Grex > Comics > #59: Wolverine-- too late to save? | |
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lumen
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Wolverine-- too late to save?
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Oct 16 02:17 UTC 1998 |
Although some have said Wolverine is one of the most abused comic book
characters, I think some of the latest story lines have been interesting--
he's had to play more of a thinking man's game. Feedback?
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pez
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response 1 of 40:
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Oct 16 17:30 UTC 1998 |
I've talked with a lot of people and tend to agree with them
that Wolverine was best as a character with little exposure..
2 x-men titles and his own monthly are a little much..
altho Captain America has 2 monthlies presently plus the Avengers..
and Spider-Man.......
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lumen
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response 2 of 40:
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Oct 16 21:56 UTC 1998 |
Perhaps it's because I didn't read all the stories about him. Before, he just
seemed like he was a character 14 yr. olds thought was cool-- he came out of
nowhere, had no revealed past, did his own thing, had an admantium-laced
skeleton, etc., etc.
But he seemed too powerful and seemed to move too fast with the admantium.
Maybe they went overboard defining his character, but the writers did present
him with formidable challenges.
You remember how his healing factor was reduced to the point that his body
began to slightly reject the adamantium. He's the only X-Man to remember the
Siege Perilous incident. Then Magneto removed his admantium.
So I find out Wolvie has to think a lot more to fight. Ironically, the lack
of adamantium allowed more human and less bestial thinking. But it also meant
his claws could be broken.
What a challenge it was when Sabretooth was given adamantium in *his*
skeleton. Wolverine almost died fighting him. Of course, it was resolved
when they and Shadowcat were pitted against each other and some of their
traits were traded. Kitty and Logan made it by the fact Sabretooth was given
a sense of honor.
Oh, and then there was Wolvie's marriage to Viper..
I'm really behind on the story, actually..last I read was when he fought
Wendigger..er, what's his name?
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pez
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response 3 of 40:
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Oct 17 00:28 UTC 1998 |
Wendigo.
I haven't picked up Wolverine since #128 which i only picked
up to see if any sense was made of it all.. very little was
i plan to pick it up again when Erik Larsen starts.
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lumen
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response 4 of 40:
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Oct 19 23:04 UTC 1998 |
Yes, I remembered.
I still disagree. Basically, the idea has been to show more what's going on
in Wolverine's head to show his continuing struggle to think more like a man
than a beast. Always, the emphasis has been on his challenge to work harder.
Interestingly enough, Sabretooth has been changed through all the incidents.
What kind of work has Erik Larsen done? You think he's somehow going to make
this all crystal-clear or something? Is he a regular write for Wolverine?
<lumen doesn't read enough comics and misses the best of the best, apparently>
It's obvious I'm no expert. :P
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pez
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response 5 of 40:
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Oct 20 10:52 UTC 1998 |
Erik Larsen..
hmm.. he's written some Spider-man that I've really liked..
beyond that.. he's written Savage Dragon for over 50 issues
now (of which I've read very few), but I do expect an entertaining
run from him with Wolverine and I'll probably pick up his
Nova series when he starts that at Marvel as well..
and trust me.. i'm far from an expert on comics (or anything) myself..
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lumen
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response 6 of 40:
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Oct 21 21:43 UTC 1998 |
you're better versed than I..
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pez
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response 7 of 40:
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Oct 21 22:00 UTC 1998 |
is that good or bad? was my first response to finding
out i'm more knowledgeable than someone
about comics...
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lumen
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response 8 of 40:
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Oct 23 01:19 UTC 1998 |
just not up on it, really.. a smattering here and there, in teeny amounts..
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pez
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response 9 of 40:
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Oct 24 06:42 UTC 1998 |
i'm not exactly reading every comic book put out myself, but
thru a mailing list and some news sites i stay caught up.
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lumen
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response 10 of 40:
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Dec 23 21:20 UTC 1998 |
Wolverine is rumored to have his adamantium returned when Erik Larsen begins
writing.
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pez
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response 11 of 40:
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Dec 28 18:50 UTC 1998 |
and Sabretooth has already gotten some adamantium..
i don't know if i care a whole lot if he gets it or not..
other's opinions?
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lumen
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response 12 of 40:
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Jan 6 00:51 UTC 1999 |
Yes, I know-- which is why Wolvie nearly got the s**t beaten out of him. I
think Wolverine's adamantium was removed so he'd have to work harder to
survive, as I said, and I think he has. I think it would be cool if he got
it back, but it doesn't matter to me.. I think we all agree the writing needs
to be good.
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pez
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response 13 of 40:
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Jan 9 00:28 UTC 1999 |
i've read Larsen's first issue of Wolverine..
not too bad characterization wise and such, but i don't
care much for the artist (Matsuda?).. i hear that the second issue
was a lot of self-serving garbage where Wolverine defeated a
of Marvel Universe heroes basically so he could prove he was a
fighter.. all in all, he couldn't have defeated most of the
heroes as easily as he did.. if at all.. Wolvie beat Vision, yeah right.
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lumen
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response 14 of 40:
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Jan 9 22:19 UTC 1999 |
Hrm-- I'll have to take a look at it. It's sad sometimes when comic
characters simply fight and the outcomes are merely based on who's more
popular.
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pez
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response 15 of 40:
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Jan 21 02:16 UTC 1999 |
very much so
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lumen
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response 16 of 40:
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Jan 25 07:13 UTC 1999 |
but that's business for you..it appeals to the lowest common denominator.
The music business is like that, too. There are so many people involved that
you have to sell a lot, or they all lose money.
But what's strange is that those of us with discriminating tastes go on to
something ouside the mainstream, and the, after a while, everyone thinks it's
cool :P
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pez
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response 17 of 40:
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Jan 28 03:48 UTC 1999 |
picked up Larsen's Wolvie run to date.. i'll write on them when i've read
them..
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lumen
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response 18 of 40:
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Jan 28 06:10 UTC 1999 |
will be waiting with hungry ears..don't know why I don't pick it up myself
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bookworm
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response 19 of 40:
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Feb 1 21:55 UTC 1999 |
I think, the reason they gave Wolvie back his adamantium was probably be
because of all the protesting that Wolvie's loyal fans did when they had
Magneto remove it. The way I understand it, the fans were talking about
lynching the writers or some such thing.
I, btw, am a very large fan of Shadowcat, Wolverine, and Nightcrawler,
and I was just livid when *I* read the mag with the story in it.
Still, check it out, everybody just keeps getting better. Check out
'Cat. Ain't she somethin' else.
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bookworm
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response 20 of 40:
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Feb 1 21:56 UTC 1999 |
BTW whatever happened to Nightcrawler, anyway. I'm poor and I haven't
been able to afford to buy comics for a while.
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lumen
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response 21 of 40:
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Feb 2 00:00 UTC 1999 |
Yes, Shadowcat is all grown up, apparently, and the last artist that had
been working on Wolverine during the battle with Sabretooth had her
looking mighty fine.
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byron99
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response 22 of 40:
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Apr 15 12:06 UTC 1999 |
From the couple of issues that I've got of Excalibur last of which Rachel was
suck out of the present timeline and was brought to the future as the mother
Askani so as to let Captain Britain back from the time stream, that was the
last I saw of Nightcrawler
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byron99
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response 23 of 40:
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Apr 15 12:16 UTC 1999 |
of all the characters that Marvel had created, I think that Wolverine is the
best among all of them. Aside from him doing the best at what he does
(snikt!).
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pez
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response 24 of 40:
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Apr 15 17:14 UTC 1999 |
Nightcrawler is currently a member of the X-Men.
i don't think Wolverine is much of a character.
He's alright, but there are so many characters worthy of
half the recognition he gets. Joe Kelly's version of
Wolverine was hilarious in Deadpool #27. i highly
recommend you read that book.
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