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angel21
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Sex and classical music
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Feb 5 10:43 UTC 2002 |
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davel
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response 1 of 17:
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Feb 5 14:56 UTC 2002 |
Why is this item following me around Grex?
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md
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response 2 of 17:
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Feb 5 17:04 UTC 2002 |
I've retitled it. Might as well put it to appropriate use.
Debussy is supposed to have depicted sex in Prelude a l'apres-midid
d'un faune, and sex games in Jeux. Ravel's Bolero has long been
thought to depict the sex act, from foreplay to orgasm but without any
cuddling afterwards. Typical guy-music. Vaughan Williams' Fantasia on
a Theme by Thomas Tallis includes the cuddling. I'm sure there are
lots of others. Anyone?
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gelinas
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response 3 of 17:
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Feb 6 05:58 UTC 2002 |
<DRIFT>
I caught that Fantasia on WKAR the other day; it inspired me to seek
out the 'theme': 'Third Psalter Tune', No. 92 in The English Hymnal,
which RVW edited.
</DRIFT>
I've heard it several times, I think, but I never got the 'cuddling'. Nor
the theme, though.
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md
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response 4 of 17:
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Feb 6 12:37 UTC 2002 |
The cuddling comes after the climax. ;-) I've never heard the Tallis
piece on which the Vaughan Williams is based. In the Vaughan Williams,
the theme supposedly is announced right at the start, in the pizzicato
notes in the basses. Are you sure the Fantasia you heard isn't the
Fantasia on Greensleeves? It's much more famous than the Tallis
Fantasia, but as pretty as it is it is incomparably inferior to the
Tallis Fantasia.
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gelinas
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response 5 of 17:
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Feb 6 18:32 UTC 2002 |
'Twas introduced as the Tallis fantasia, and the music wasn't the Greensleeves
fantasia (isn't that actually "Three English Folksongs", one of which is
"Greensleeves"?)
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md
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response 6 of 17:
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Feb 6 20:17 UTC 2002 |
Could be.
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micklpkl
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response 7 of 17:
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Feb 14 03:34 UTC 2002 |
The RVW "English Folksong Suite" is the 3-song suite, afaik. ("Seventeen Come
Sunday," "My Bonny Boy," & one other) I seem to rember that "Greensleeves"
was taken from an entr'acte RVW wrote for an opera.
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md
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response 8 of 17:
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Feb 14 05:40 UTC 2002 |
Right. "Sir John in Love"
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micklpkl
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response 9 of 17:
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Feb 14 18:47 UTC 2002 |
Anyone have a recommendation for a recording of "Sir John in Love"? I've never
seen one, or heard one for that matter. RVW is one of my favourite composers.
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md
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response 10 of 17:
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Feb 14 21:46 UTC 2002 |
http://www.musicweb.uk.net/classrev/2001/Oct01/RVW_Sir_John.htm
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dbratman
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response 11 of 17:
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Mar 11 22:18 UTC 2002 |
My most recent RVW rave is "Job: A Masque for Dancing". Doesn't sound
like ballet music (if I'd known that, I'dve looked it up sooner).
Dates between the 3rd and 4th Symphonies, and sounds a little like
both. And like a lot of other stuff: essence of VW, really.
Sex in music? Well, music in sex I can't take. Either stop and listen
to the music, or turn it off: too distracting.
Warm romantic music I can believe in, but music that supposedly
imitates the sex act sounds stupid. All-time worst to my ears, some
song by Tina Turner that was supposedly orgasmic, but which sounded
like a large person heaving around loudly and obviously faking orgasm.
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coyote
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response 12 of 17:
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Mar 21 16:47 UTC 2002 |
Much of Scriabin's music has erotic content, some of it so apparently blatent
that it was offensive to the audiences of his day.
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dbratman
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response 13 of 17:
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Apr 2 00:11 UTC 2002 |
There are better reasons to be offended by Scriabin's music.
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coyote
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response 14 of 17:
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Apr 4 01:36 UTC 2002 |
Could you elaborate?
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dbratman
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response 15 of 17:
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Apr 5 01:01 UTC 2002 |
self-indulgent, miasmic, incessantly chromatic in that charming pre-
Schoenbergian way ...
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coyote
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response 16 of 17:
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Apr 5 02:32 UTC 2002 |
Heh, I'd have to agree with all of your descriptors (perhaps doing without
the "pre-Schoenberg" comment), but I love the finished effect. I find much
of his music to be absolutely stunning... and anybody who likes Chopin can't
possibly be offended by the op. 16 preludes.
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dbratman
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response 17 of 17:
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Apr 11 18:21 UTC 2002 |
"pre-Schoenbergian" was not, as a word, intended as a criticism, but
simply to note that there is a characteristic style of pre-12tone (to
be precise, pre-atonal) chromaticism characteristic of a lot of fl.
1900 composers, of whom Scriabin is a prime example.
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