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davel
What about recordings? Mark Unseen   Dec 6 11:55 UTC 1996

Here's a place to gossip about classical recordings - those performances
presumptuously preserved for posterity.  New releases, old releases
re-released, old favorites, old turkeys ... what's good?  What should
be avoided at all costs?
156 responses total.
jradio
response 1 of 156: Mark Unseen   Feb 23 20:23 UTC 1997

Anyone know of a good recording of Bethoven's ninth I might get? I've never
heard the whole thing in one sitting, and I just thoght someone might know
of a recording that is worth listening to. 
krj
response 2 of 156: Mark Unseen   Mar 6 17:03 UTC 1997

I'm fond of Georg Solti's recording of the 9th Symphony, but then I 
seem to like Solti in general.
md
response 3 of 156: Mark Unseen   Sep 29 23:33 UTC 1997

Pierre Boulez conducting almost anything.  He's made some immortal
recordings of Debussy, Bartok, Stravinsky and, recently, Mahler.
I'm not even a big Mahler fan and I'm crazy about his recording
of the 6th on DGG.  He's also recorded the 5th and 7th, but I
haven't heard them yet.

Lately I've been listening to Mozart piano concertos played by
Mitsuko Uchida.  She's beyond wonderful.  Must be heard to be
believed.

I recently saw a current classical Top 40 list, and was surprised
to see Samuel Barber's Violin Concerto in 1st place.  Does anyone
know which recording or recordings might be responsible for this?
(Everyone and his brother or sister has recorded it in the past
five years, it seems, so maybe that's the answer.)  I wasn't so
much surprised to see it on the list as I was to see ahead of
Beethoven's 9th, Rachmaninov's 3rd, etc.  It even beat out
Pachelbel's Canon.
md
response 4 of 156: Mark Unseen   Sep 29 23:35 UTC 1997

Btw, what's the best recording of Mahler's Das Lied von der Erde?
I recently bought Simon Rattle's version, and am not impressed.
md
response 5 of 156: Mark Unseen   Oct 5 18:42 UTC 1997

Re Mitsuko Uchida, I recently read a review of her CD of Schubert's
Impromptus in which the reviewer predicted that in 30 years the
CD would be a collector's item.  I read another article about her
in which she was called a "priestess."  If you aren't familiar
with her, Mitsuko Uchida was born in Japam about 50 years ago,
moved to Vienna with her parents when she was 12, stayed there
to become a musician when they returned to Japan (she was 16 at
the time) and now resides in London.  She wears only black clothes
which her brother buys for her, she specializes in Haydn, Mozart,
Schubert & Beethoven, and has quite a cult following, it turns out.
Check out her recording of Mozart's 24th and 25th piano concertos,
or the Schubert Impromptus.
mary
response 6 of 156: Mark Unseen   Oct 23 13:58 UTC 1997

I'm hoping to use this item for a quick question.  I'd
like to know if anyone has (or knows of) a recording
of Vivaldi's Concerto in g minor (F. XII, n.4)  I'm part
of an ensemble playing this piece and although I don't
think I'm going to want the recording when it's over,
the violinist does.  She says she has been looking all
over and asking about without success.

Anyone know how to read the "F. XII, n.4" part or know
something of the piece?  It has three movements, allegro
ma cantabile, largo, and allegro molto.

(No wisecracks about Vivaldi, Michael.)  ;-)
davel
response 7 of 156: Mark Unseen   Oct 25 01:30 UTC 1997

No help on the recording.  We have more than one concerto in Gm, but they
don't match.  As for the F. XII, n.4 part, that's new to me (& not on any
recording or listing I've ever seen, I think), but from our Encyclopaedia
Britannica entry on Vivaldi, part of the little section at the end labeled
"Bibliography:":  "(General catalog): The complete thematic catalog of
Vivaldi, _Catalogo_numerico-tematico_delle_opere_strumentali_, was published
by the Instituto Italiano Antonio Vivaldi under the direction of Antonio Fanna
(1968)."  So I'd hazard a guess that it's #4 in volume XII of Fanna's edition,
or something like that.  Just a guess, but not quite a *wild* guess, this
time.

Of course, anyone who really *knows* anything about it is more than welcome
to jump in & explain where I'm confused!
srw
response 8 of 156: Mark Unseen   Oct 30 05:22 UTC 1997

Looks like a good guess. According to the Fanna listing on the net, at 
http://www.classical.net/music/composer/works/vivaldi/lists/fanna.html

 Fanna     Ryom    Pincherle  Ricordi   Type        Key          
 XII/4     103      402          23   Concerto    G minor

Perhaps this will help you locate a recording via the Ryom, Pincherle or 
Ricordi number.
mary
response 9 of 156: Mark Unseen   Oct 30 14:40 UTC 1997

I'd never heard of Fanna listings.  Thanks, Steve!  

In doing a little browsing thought our bookshelf, trying to find out more
about this piece, I looked up Vivaldi in _The Record Shelf Guide to
Classical and CDs and Audiocassettes_, by Jim Svejda, and found the
following (which I'm entering for Michael Delizia's amusement). 

The Four Seasons:
     With the possible exception of Pachelbel's Kanon, nothing makes me
want to start throwing things more, and I mean, literally throwing things,
than a half dozen bars of The Seasons.  I hate it with the same irrational
intensity that I reserve for peanut butter, for reasons which remain as
difficult to explain.  Like all of his other concertos, these four are
exceedingly inoffensive and exceptionally graceful.  In me, alas, they
stimulate nothing but violence, and if allowed to go on too long,
peristalsis. 

Gloria in D Major, R. 589:
     This is the sort of recording that almost makes on believe in
miracles, for, miraculously, I managed to remain conscious to the very
end. 

Svejda only reviewed these two works by this composer.  In his overview
(apology for paying so little attention to this composer) he refers to
Vivaldi as cocktail party music for yuppies and warns devotees to not
double-park their BMWs. 

davel
response 10 of 156: Mark Unseen   Oct 30 23:00 UTC 1997

CBC-Windsor, in an ad for one of their programs, used to feature a (fake)
announcer's voiceover on the tail end of The Seasons, saying something like
"... and we'll be back with more of Vivaldi's greatest hits right after ..."
(followed by sounds of dial moving through several other unattractive options,
followed by theme music & introduction for the program being advertised,
followed by a contented sigh).

Personally, I also like Vivaldi.  I prefer some other baroque composers, but
not because there's anything wrong with Vivaldi, for sure.  (But it was a cute
ad, & The Seasons is certainly overplayed among his repertoire.)
md
response 11 of 156: Mark Unseen   Nov 2 21:00 UTC 1997

Well, Vivaldi's Seasons isn't in the same league as Pachelbel's
Canon.  In the category of Music for People Who Want the Music They
Play to Sound The Way They Want People to Think They Are, we've
dumbed down five or six levels from Vivaldi to Pachelbel.  Why can't
I conceive of someone loving Pachelbel's Canon just because they
love it?  I can, of course, but the problem is, as soon as you start
in on Pachelbel's (or Vivaldi's) yuppie fans they *all* claim to
love the music just because they love it.  It's MD's Uncertainty
Principle.  CeCe, the woman who founded AOL's Classical Chat, feels
the same way I do about this.  Saying you don't like Pachelbel's Canon
is like saying you kick kittens, to these people.  I wonder why?

Btw, for a public swipe at Pachelbel's Canon, see my "CultureBrief"
on Ravel's Bolero on the AOL CultureFinder site.
rcurl
response 12 of 156: Mark Unseen   Nov 3 18:28 UTC 1997

Isn't the usual form of ther expression "(the lesser) isn't in the same league
as (the greater)"? You gave me a start, there.
srw
response 13 of 156: Mark Unseen   Nov 4 18:46 UTC 1997

The Seasons is certainly inoffensive, and certainly overplayed. I like 
the genre, though. If you are bored by the same 4 concerti, but like the 
concept, you should try the 12 Opus 3 concerti (L'Estro Armonico). They 
are for 1,2,and 4 violins (in a cycle) and also alternate (for the most 
part) major and minor keys.  Bach loved them, and transcribed one or 
two for organ. That doesn't mean you should, though. You should 
love them only if you do. They're similar, but I prefer them to opus 8 
(4 seasons). Probably that's because they are a bit more varied, but 
certainly because they are a lot less often heard.

I love the canon because I love it, but it exceeds the 4 season in 
overplayedness, so even while loving it I get bored by it. Bolero is 
nearly tied with it for being overplayed, but I'd hate that one even if 
it weren't. Sorry, I guess I kick kittens.
rcurl
response 14 of 156: Mark Unseen   Nov 4 20:31 UTC 1997

I think (hope...) that md meant that the *Canon* is inoffensive but overplayed
(and, in my opinion, has very little musical content compared to a concerto
- any concerto - and especially Vivaldi's). 
remmers
response 15 of 156: Mark Unseen   Nov 5 02:21 UTC 1997

I like the Canon. Heard an interesting performance of it out in
Wyoming a few years ago. The conductor's opinion was that
everybody play it about twice as slow as intended; the orchestra
took it at a really fast clip. It works well at the faster
tempo.
md
response 16 of 156: Mark Unseen   Nov 5 04:30 UTC 1997

Yes, #14 is all I meant.  Re #15, the faster the better.  I think a
good prestississimo that got the thing over with in 30 seconds
would be perfect.
remmers
response 17 of 156: Mark Unseen   Nov 5 10:49 UTC 1997

Foof. Oh well, guess I left myself open to that one...
mary
response 18 of 156: Mark Unseen   Nov 5 14:09 UTC 1997

I like canon (and fuge) type music.  It's a neat trick when done well. 
I'd bet Row-Row-Row Your Boat, done by a good acappella chorus, could
knock your socks off.  If you were cultured enough to be wearing socks,
that is. ;-) 

I guess I'm agreeing with others here that it's not Pachelbel's Canon that
is at fault but the way the piece has been overplayed by conductors who
believe there is no such thing as too much legato and who have gone on to
make it the theme song of weddings and elevators. 

My favorite experience with hearing the piece was in Chicago, 
Christmas season of 1990, in the atrium of a grand old department
store, as played by a student orchestra.  It had heart.
faile
response 19 of 156: Mark Unseen   Nov 5 23:15 UTC 1997

I'm darned proud to kick kittens and push litte old ladies down stairs and
whatever other horrible things some one isn't a fan of Pachabel's Cannon in
D does.

Unfortunately, my opinion of that is colored by my experiences as a
performer-- I play the bass.  Do you have any idea how boring that is?  Its
teh same two measures over and over and over until the final cadence.  eep!

But, I will say that it isn't its fault that it gets over played-- that's what
makes it so despised.  It isn't a terribly impressive peice (as far as I'm
concerned, anyway... but what do I know?), but it isn't bad.

Another high on the list of overplayed peices is, assuredly, the William Tell
Overture.  In my bass lesson the other day, my teacher was talking about it,
and he said, "if I had $50 for everytime I've played that, I could have
retired ten years ago," my response was, "if *I* had $50 for everytime I've
played it, I could retire."  
teflon
response 20 of 156: Mark Unseen   Nov 14 02:35 UTC 1997

the only real use I've gotton out of cannon would be as relaxation music...
md
response 21 of 156: Mark Unseen   Nov 15 12:46 UTC 1997

Silly question: I've been made to listen to Pachelbel's Canon many
times, but I've never actually heard a canon -- the "Row, Row, Row
Your Boat" sort of thing Mary mentions.  It sounds to me like a
passacaglia.  Did "canon" mean something else back then, whenever?
faile
response 22 of 156: Mark Unseen   Nov 15 23:02 UTC 1997

<jessi scurries off to the _New Grove Dictionary of Music and Musicians_ to
find that out>
teflon
response 23 of 156: Mark Unseen   Nov 18 02:24 UTC 1997

As I recall, it isn't really a true cannon, but was apparenly misnamed.  As
for what it is, I can only say that I hope faile brings us that definition
soon....
omni
response 24 of 156: Mark Unseen   Nov 22 08:03 UTC 1997

  I like the slowness of the Canon, esp when it's played with
deliberateness,(how's that for a word?) I hate the 4 seasons, but I love
Beethovan's Fur Elise and The Happy Farmer. My mother thinks I have all the
culture of a cup of spoiled yougurt, but I don't wear shoes and like West
Virginia.
  I also love most all of what Bach and Mozart wrote, including that
nauseating little Eine Kleine Nachmuzak. I love the Pastoral Symphony,
something I overplay in this house as well as Bach's Two-Part Inventions which
I also overplay.
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