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gypsi
Agora's Reading List - Summer 2000 Mark Unseen   Jul 12 21:15 UTC 2000

This is the item where we discuss what we are currently reading, if we're
enjoying it or hating it, what we like/hate about it and why, how it compares
to that author's other works, etc.  Try to expand on "It's good", but *no
spoilers* (in case people decide to read it after your stunning
recommendation).  =)  
88 responses total.
rcurl
response 1 of 88: Mark Unseen   Jul 12 23:55 UTC 2000

In the books cf there is Item 39: Summer Reading Lists! 
gypsi
response 2 of 88: Mark Unseen   Jul 13 00:05 UTC 2000

You never complained about this before...  we've had a reading list item in
almost every Agora.
md
response 3 of 88: Mark Unseen   Jul 13 00:30 UTC 2000

Yeah, really.  I was about to enter my own list in this item, and now I 
feel all guilty about it.  (Maybe gypsi could retitle it The Summer 
2000 Reading List Item and rcurl could link it to books?)

I recently bought the latest edition of the gigantic Baseball 
Encyclopedia, which you can't stop browsing once you start.  You look 
up and three hours have passed.  My old one was ten years out of date.

I'm reading The Perfect Storm because someone said the book is way 
better than the movie.  

I picked up the Library of America edition of Wallace Stevens on sale 
in Farmington a couple of weeks ago and I can't stop reading it and 
rereading it.  Ditto a new Borges collection.  They were the Baseball 
Encyclopedias of poetry and prose, respectively.  

I recently bought a new biography of Mary McCarthy by Frances Kiernan 
called Seeing Mary Plain that is *way* better than Carol Brightman's 
Writing Dangerously.  McCarthy was a great social satirist and deep 
down I suspect she was a sweetheart, but to many people who knew her 
she was a vile bitch and, up until about the age of 50, perpetually 
oozey-pantsed for any reasonably presentable man who came along.  Any 
book about her is a good read, but this one is really exceptional.  

I reread Anita Brookner's Hotel du Lac last month -- the only book of 
hers I'd ever read -- and liked it so much I went out and bought her A 
Private View at that second-hand book shop in Farmington.  

I think I'm set until September.
gelinas
response 4 of 88: Mark Unseen   Jul 13 02:11 UTC 2000

I'm reading Patrick O'Brien's _The_Hundred_Days_ when I'm not reading Harry
Potter or grex.  It's the 19th or 20th in a series, set in the Napoleonic
Wars (this one opens with his escape from Elba).  Good stuff.
ric
response 5 of 88: Mark Unseen   Jul 13 02:56 UTC 2000

I just finished reading item 307 in Agora.  It was fantastic.

I'll probably read it again tomorrow, as I get the feeling it's a work in
progress.
rcurl
response 6 of 88: Mark Unseen   Jul 13 05:50 UTC 2000

I didn't know an item could be retitled - how? But if it is, I'll
link it to books. There are actually quite a few "lists" in books, but
the one I cited (item 39) has been going on for summers for a number
of years. 

It could, of course, have been linked back to agora, rather than
multiplying the reading list items. 
rcurl
response 7 of 88: Mark Unseen   Jul 13 05:51 UTC 2000

Oh yes - here are all the Summer reading items in books:

39 114 Summer Reading Lists!
   <linked item>
 40 157 Summer Mystery Quote Item
   <linked item>
 53 230 The Mysterious Quote - Summer 1996 Edition
   <item is frozen>
   <linked item>
 54 131 The Summer Reading List Item...
   <linked item>
 59 108 Summer Mystery Quote Item
   <linked item>
 72  65 The Mysterious Quote - Summer 1998 Edition
   <linked item>
bdh3
response 8 of 88: Mark Unseen   Jul 13 06:37 UTC 2000

I just finished _War of the Rats_.
gypsi
response 9 of 88: Mark Unseen   Jul 13 12:40 UTC 2000

Biggity-bam!  Title changed.

I'm reading two books right now, which tends to be odd for me.  I'm reading
Peter Straub's "Ghost Story", which was highly recommended after a friend found
out I love Stephen King.  It's really good so far.  I wish I had more time to
read it since it has that suspenseful, campfire story feel to it.

I started "The Silver Wolf" by Alice Borchardt last night.  This book was
recommended since she's (as they said) Anne Rice's sister.  It's okay so
far...I hope it picks up a bit.  It hasn't grabbed me  yet, but I'm doing my
"three chapters then I'm outta here" thing.
johnnie
response 10 of 88: Mark Unseen   Jul 13 13:41 UTC 2000

Read?  Who's got time to read?

Currently wading through "What To Expect:  The Toddler Years".  A 
bracing work of non-fiction parenting advice, to be sure.
ric
response 11 of 88: Mark Unseen   Jul 13 13:55 UTC 2000

(Rane... shut up already)
eeyore
response 12 of 88: Mark Unseen   Jul 13 14:17 UTC 2000

I just finished reading Harry Potter 4. :)
gypsi
response 13 of 88: Mark Unseen   Jul 13 14:24 UTC 2000

AIGH...if I hear that name one more time...  <birdy runs away screaming>

FWIW - I keep meaning to start that series.  Everyone is raving about it, and
we're still swamped with orders.
rcurl
response 14 of 88: Mark Unseen   Jul 13 15:43 UTC 2000

(Re #11: you first? But actually, why? )
rcurl
response 15 of 88: Mark Unseen   Jul 13 15:45 UTC 2000

Summer 2000 agora 307 is now linked to books 93.
jep
response 16 of 88: Mark Unseen   Jul 13 16:34 UTC 2000

My 9 year old has read about 300 pages of the 4th Harry Potter book 
since Sunday, when we gave it to him.  This is most of why I love the 
Harry Potter books.

I recently completed "The Civil War" by Bruce Catton.  I'm almost 
completely ignorant of anything about the Civil War, but I got 
interested when I read "Gone With The Wind".  Now I've started the book 
about Elizabeth I that I bought in the Grex auction.  I got about 
halfway through "Pride and Prejudice" by Jane Austen, but it was 
exceedingly boring to me, and I gratefully grabbed at another book when 
one came along.
gypsi
response 17 of 88: Mark Unseen   Jul 13 16:54 UTC 2000

Jane Austen is more of a "girly" author, but I love her stories.  They're fun.

Some children that were interviewed at Borders during the Harry Potter Orgy of
Greed said that they preferred reading these books to watching TV.  They also
said it has encouraged them to read other books during their summer break
instead of watching "boring daytime TV".  You should have seen me jumping
around like a ferret when I read that article.  =)
rcurl
response 18 of 88: Mark Unseen   Jul 13 19:32 UTC 2000

I am reading Tor Norretranders _The User Illusion_ (with the misleading
subtitle, "Cutting Consciousness Down to Size"). It concerns the origin
and functioning of human consciousness. It is absolutely fascinating -
even astonshing - since I seem not to have read before about all the
research that has been done on consciousness, and the bizarre discoveries
that have been made. I'll write a fuller report in the nonfiction item,
when I am done, but will just mention, consider the implications of the
fact that the sensory input to the brain occurs at a bit rate of ca. 
10,000,000 bps while that for consciousness does not exceed an action
output rate of no more than 50 bps.

jazz
response 19 of 88: Mark Unseen   Jul 13 19:47 UTC 2000

        I'm not sure I agree on his conclusions about "bits per second", but
the rest of the book is indeed fascinating.
bdh3
response 20 of 88: Mark Unseen   Jul 14 03:41 UTC 2000

(re#18:I'd like to hear what spoken english sounds like
at 50bps...)
gelinas
response 21 of 88: Mark Unseen   Jul 14 04:02 UTC 2000

Uh... a ten bits per letter, and five letters per word, that would be a word
a second.  No, I don't think I have the patience for that.
beeswing
response 22 of 88: Mark Unseen   Jul 14 04:50 UTC 2000

The Norton Anthology of American Literature, vol. 5. :)
rcurl
response 23 of 88: Mark Unseen   Jul 14 06:55 UTC 2000

You only need 5 bits per letter, so if you that would be two words per
second. But it is more complex than that - the brain can "chunk", and the
unconscious can construct and emit words as entities. This "chunking" of
words does not, however, come from conscious mind - you do not construct
the words *in* consciousness, but rather emit them whole, dredged up from
the unconscious. If you think the words you speak come from the conscious
mind, please explain in detail exactly how the words are constructed there
(it takes years for children to learn how to do this as it is, and it is a
process of training the unconscious mind). 

Now, if you insist on doing ASCII in your conscious mind, then your
conscious action has to be to speak the *letters*. Doing so, of course,
also draws upon having learned how to, and chunking letters. But still,
with five bits per letter, you would have to *speak* ten *letters* per
second to reach 50 bps. Try it. You can probably get up to 25 or so,
unless it is a memorized (trained)  sequence, like the alphabet. 

bdh3
response 24 of 88: Mark Unseen   Jul 14 08:09 UTC 2000

Hmm, the chinese seem to be able to read with 4000-40000 
'letters' and speak a language where the simple phoneme
'ma' can have up to five different meanings. Further, the
simple names of things - two sylables or characters - might
contain far more information about the object in question
than the same in english.  Sorta blows the whole notion
of only 50bps out of the water.
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