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janc
Fall 1996 Mystery Quotation Item Mark Unseen   Sep 23 17:54 UTC 1996

This item continues Grex's ongoing Mystery Quotation Game.  If you can guess
the author of a quotation, you get to enter the next quotation.

It's Dave Lovelace's turn, after he guessed my P. G. Wodehouse quote in the
Summer 1996 Mystery Quotation Item.
214 responses total.
jiffer
response 1 of 214: Mark Unseen   Sep 24 09:43 UTC 1996

where is the quote? or should i wait till the pizza arrives?
i shall be waiting it expectanlly!

 =)
janc
response 2 of 214: Mark Unseen   Sep 24 15:23 UTC 1996

Dave said in last month's item that he'd enter his quote the next time he
called in from wherever he keeps his books.
uriah
response 3 of 214: Mark Unseen   Sep 24 18:44 UTC 1996

If it indeed _is_ Dave Lovelace's turn , Where _is_ he ?? 
(Or is the whole Quotation Thing taking a (Dave's) _turn_ for the
worse????!!!!)
janc
response 4 of 214: Mark Unseen   Sep 24 19:10 UTC 1996

It's only been a day or two.  Don't Panic.
bmoran
response 5 of 214: Mark Unseen   Sep 25 04:49 UTC 1996

"Don't panic" is from the Hitch-hiker's Guide to The Galaxy" by Douglas
Adams. 
Do I win?
janc
response 6 of 214: Mark Unseen   Sep 25 12:58 UTC 1996

Not unless Dave says so.
hopkins
response 7 of 214: Mark Unseen   Sep 25 14:39 UTC 1996

While we're waiting, here's a "toss-up" question, as they used to say on
College Bowl: "Writing is easy. All you have to do is stare at a blank sheet
of paper until blood begins to form on your forehead." Who wrote that?
remmers
response 8 of 214: Mark Unseen   Sep 25 15:09 UTC 1996

Haven't a clue. However, it's a pleasure to see the
distinguished poet G.M. Hopkins right here on Grex. Your "Spring
and Fall" is one of my favorite poems of all time. (They let you
use a computer in the monastary now? Whatever happened to that
ol' vow of silence?)
nsiddall
response 9 of 214: Mark Unseen   Sep 25 15:43 UTC 1996

*That's* Dorothy Parker.  I think.
remmers
response 10 of 214: Mark Unseen   Sep 25 16:38 UTC 1996

Dorothy Parker wrote "Spring and Fall"??? Nah, not the one I
know. That's Gerard Manley Hopkins. Goes like this:

        Margaret, are you grieving
        Over Goldengrove unleaving?
        Leaves, like the things of man, you
        With your fresh thoughts care for, can you?
        (etc.)

(Though I will admit the ending has a Parker-ish spin to it.)
eskarina
response 11 of 214: Mark Unseen   Sep 25 20:16 UTC 1996

Would the "writing is easy..." have been Mark Twain?
jiffer
response 12 of 214: Mark Unseen   Sep 26 09:17 UTC 1996

hopkins:  you wrote it! unless someone wrote it under your login while you
were away! sorry.. I have no idea who created and got that quote somewhat
copyrighted!

sorry... taking weird  classes that we talk about plagerism alot! and its not
even a English class! strrange!
hopkins
response 13 of 214: Mark Unseen   Sep 26 18:53 UTC 1996

Nice tries, one and all ... but the correct answer is (may I have the envelope
please?) Evelyn Waugh, 20th century British author. And here's one for fun:

In Memoriam Dorothy Parker

Minor surgery to truth's
All that's required in our youth;
A knowing glance in middle age
Can transform counterfeit to sage;

Painted grey and well-trimmed tire
Yield an object of desire,
And preferment may be yours
If your credit opens doors;

Yet though one is young or old,
Happiness rewards the bold.
This, the long and short of it:
Packaging's no match for wit.
davel
response 14 of 214: Mark Unseen   Sep 27 13:42 UTC 1996

I entered the quote in the mystery quote item in the books conference, where
I read it.  Rane didn't link this one over yet, I guess.  So I'll paste in
my quote & all the responses there so far, & we'll continue here.
davel
response 15 of 214: Mark Unseen   Sep 27 13:46 UTC 1996

#220 Dave Lovelace(davel) on Thu Sep 26 10:19:45 1996:
 OK, I'm going to do what Rane complains I'm *always* doing (generalizing from
 a single case, up to now).  Let's see who can get *this* one.  The author's
 style is extremely distinctive, so unfamiliarity with the particular work
 quoted should be no barrier:
 
          Extract from the Day Book:
          "Where," we asked the Information Factor at Camiroi City
      Terminal, "is the office of the local PTA?"
          "Isn't any," he said cheerfully.
          "You mean that in Camiroi City, the metropolis of the planet,
      there is no PTA?" our chairman Paul Piper asked with disbelief.
          "Isn't any office of it.  But you're poor strangers, so you
      deserve an answer even if you can't frame your questions properly.
      See that elderly man sitting on the bench and enjoying the sun?
      Go tell him you need a PTA.  He'll make you one."
          "Perhaps the initials convey a different meaning on Camiroi,"
      said Miss Munch, the first surrogate chairman.  "By them we mean--"
          "Parent Teachers Apparatus, of course.  Colloquial English
      is one of the six Earthian languages required here, you know.
      Don't be abashed.  He's a fine person, and he enjoys doing things
      for strangers.  He'll be glad to make you a PTA."
          We were nonplussed, but we walked over to the man indicated.
          "We are looking for the local PTA, sir," said Miss Smice, our
      second surrogate chairman.  "We were told that you might help us."
          "Oh, certainly," said the elderly Camiroi gentleman.  "One of
      you arrest that man walking there, and we'll get started with it."
          "Do what?" asked our Mr. Piper.
          "Arrest him.  I have noticed that your own words sometimes do
      not convey a meaning to you.  I often wonder how you do communicate
      among yourselves.  Arrest, take into custody, seize by any force
      physical or moral, and bring him here."
          "Yes, *sir*," cried Miss Hanks, our third surrogate chairman.
      She enjoyed things like this.  She arrested the walking Camiroi
      man with force partly physical and partly moral and brought him to
      the group.
          "It's a PTA they want, Meander," the elder Camiroi said to the
      one arrested.  "Grab three more, and we'll get started.  Let the
      lady help.  She's good at it."
          Our Miss Hanks and the Camiroi man named Meander arrested three
      other Camiroi men and brought them to the group.
          "Five.  It's enough," said the elderly Camiroi.  "We are hereby
      constituted a PTA and ordered into random action.  Now, how can we
      accommodate you, good Earth people?"
          "But are you legal?  Are you five persons competent to be a
      PTA?" demanded our Mr. Piper.
          "Any Camiroi citizen is competent to do any job on the planet
      of Camiroi," said one of the Camiroi men (we learned later that
      his name was Talarium), "otherwise Camiroi would be in a sad shape."
          "It may be," said our Miss Smice sourly.  "It all seems very
      informal.  What if one of you had to be World President?"
          "The odds are that it won't come to one man in ten," said the
      elderly Camiroi (his name was Philoxenus).  "I'm the only one of
      this group ever to serve as president of this Planet, and it was
      a pleasant week I spent in the Office.  Now to the point.  How can
      we accommodate you?"
          "We would like to see one of your schools in session," said our
      Mr. Piper.  "We would like to talk to the teachers and the students.
      We are here to compare the two systems of education."
          "There is no comparison," said old Philoxenus, "--meaning
      no offense.  Or no more than a little.  On Camiroi, we practice
      Education.  On Earth, they play a game, but they call it by the
      same name.  That makes the confusion.  Come.  We'll go to a school
      in session."
          "And to a public school," said Miss Smice suspiciously.
      "Do not fob off any fancy private school on us as typical."
          "That would be difficult," said Philoxenus.  "There is no
      public school in Camiroi City and only two remaining on the Planet.
      Only a small fraction of one percent of the students of Camiroi are
      in public schools.  We maintain that there is no more reason for
      the majority of children to be educated in a public school than to
      be raised in a public orphanage.  We realize, of course, that on
      Earth you have made a sacred buffalo of the public school."
          "Sacred cow," said our Mr. Piper.
          "Children and Earthlings should be corrected when they use
      words wrongly," said Philoxenus.  "How else will they learn the
      correct forms?  The animal held sacred in your own near Orient was
      of the species _bos_bubalus_ rather than _bos_bos_, a buffalo rather
      than a cow.  Shall we go to a school?"
          "If it cannot be a public school, at least let it be a typical
      school," said Miss Smice.
          "That again is impossible," said Philoxenus.  "Every school on
      Camiroi is in some respect atypical."
          We went to visit an atypical school.
#221 Rane Curl(rcurl) on Thu Sep 26 11:27:09 1996:
 I find this kind of pointless dialogue almost unreadable, but I did suffer
 through a lot of similar pointless dialogue in Heinlein, so I'll guess him.
#222 Matthew Stephen Rogers(raven) on Thu Sep 26 14:46:34 1996:
        Or maybe Philip K Dick...
#223 galactic librarian(adania) on Thu Sep 26 14:54:10 1996:
 IS there nore to that?  I am vclueless as to who it is...
#224 John H. Remmers(remmers) on Fri Sep 27 07:59:52 1996:
 No clue here either, but it's a cute passage.
#225 John H. Remmers(remmers) on Fri Sep 27 08:18:40 1996:
 (Um, I'm confused. This is the *summer* mysterious quote item.
 Shouldn't the new quotes be going the in the fall item (#6 in
 Agora)?)
#226 not currently reading Agora(davel) on Fri Sep 27 09:39:40 1996:
 I'm reading it in the books conference, where it's the most recent one.  I'll
 join agora temporarily & paste stuff in, but Rane needs to get on the ball
 & link it over here.
 
 Not Heinlein or Dick, BTW.


I'll enter some more when I have a chance.  I'd add that this is from a story
in a collection of the author's stories, & that I really like maybe 1/4 of
the stories (enough to keep the book for years), but can't stand most of the
rest.  The style is (as I said) pretty consistent, & should be enough to rule
out Heinlein & most everyone else.  (I can think of *one* other I might guess
if it were me, off hand.)
scott
response 16 of 214: Mark Unseen   Sep 27 16:07 UTC 1996

Somewhat reminiscent of certain parts of Ray Bradbury's _Martian Chronicles_.
rcurl
response 17 of 214: Mark Unseen   Sep 27 17:16 UTC 1996

Fall 1996 agora 6 <--> books 56.
krj
response 18 of 214: Mark Unseen   Sep 27 20:34 UTC 1996

I was going to forget this item, and then I noticed the text.
This is from one of my favorite authors.   If nobody gets it in a day 
or three, can I start dropping hints?
davel
response 19 of 214: Mark Unseen   Sep 27 20:53 UTC 1996

Not Bradbury.  Not Pratchett or Adams (guessed in the other item).  (Not *any*
Adams, even the somewhat more likely one who wasn't guessed.)

Ken, give me time to enter a couple more excerpts before you drop any hints
likely to give it away.  (You *could* always guess, you know.)
davel
response 20 of 214: Mark Unseen   Sep 27 21:18 UTC 1996

Here goes a bit more from the same story.  I'll enter something
else later.

         INCIDENT: Our first contact with the Camiroi students was a
     violent one.  One of them, a lively little boy about eight years old,
     ran into Miss Munch, knocked her down, and broke her glasses.  Then he
     jabbered something in an unknown tongue.
         "Is that Camiroi?" asked Mr. Piper with interest.  "From what I
     have heard, I supposed the language to have a harsher and fuller
     sound."
         "You mean you don't recognize it?" asked Philoxenus with
     amusement.  "What a droll admission from an educator.  The boy is very
     young and very ignorant.  Seeing that you were Earthians, he spoke in
     Hindi, which is the tongue used by more Earthians than any other.  No,
     no, Xypete, they are of the minority who speak English.  You can tell
     it by their colorless texture and the narrow heads on them."
         "I say you sure do have slow reaction, lady," the little boy
     Xypete explained.  "Even subhumans should react faster than that.  You
     just stand there and gape and let me bowl you over.  You want me to
     analyze you and see why you react so slow?"
         "No! No!"
         "You seem unhurt in structure from the fall," the little boy
     continued, "but if I hurt you I got to fix you.  Just strip down to
     your shift, and I'll go over you and make sure you're all right."
         "No! No! No!"
         "It's all right," said Philoxenus.  "All Camiroi children learn
     primary medicine in the first grade, setting bones and healing
     contusions and such."
         "No! No! I'm all right.  But he's broken my glasses."
         "Come along, Earthside lady, I'll make you some others," said the
     little boy.  "With your slow reaction time you sure can't afford the
     added handicap of defective vision.  Shall I fit you with contacts?"
         "No, I want glasses just like those which were broken.  Oh
     heavens, what will I do?"
         "You come, I do," said the little boy.  It was rather revealing to
     us that the little boy was able to test Miss Munch's eyes, grind
     lenses, make frames and have her fixed up within three minutes.  "I
     have made some improvements over those you wore before," the boy said,
     "to help compensate for your slow reaction time."
         "Are all the Camiroi students so talented?"  Mr Piper asked.  He
     was impressed.
         No.  Xypete is unusual," Philoxenus said.  "Most students would
     not be able to make a pair of glasses so quickly or competently till
     they were at least nine."

--- skipping a bunch ---

         "Where are their playgrounds?" Miss Hanks asked Talarium.
         "Oh, the whole world.  The children have the run of everything.
     To set up specific playgrounds would be like setting a table-sized
     aquarium down in the depths of the ocean.  It would really be
     pointless.
         CONFERENCE: The four of us from Earth, specifically from Dubuque,
     Iowa, were in discussion with the five members of the Camiroi PTA.
         "How do you maintain discipline?" Mr. Piper asked.
         "Indifferently," said Philoxenus.  "Oh, you mean in detail.  It
     varies.  Sometimes we let it drift, sometimes we pull them up short.
     Once they have learned that they must comply to an extent, there is
     little trouble.  Small children are often put down into a pit.  They
     do not eat or come out till they know their assignment."
         "But that is inhuman," said Miss Hanks.
         "Of course.  But small children are not yet entirely human.  If a
     child has not learned to accept discipline by the third or fourth
     grade, he is hanged."
         "Literally?" asked Miss Munch.
         "How would you hang a child figuratively?  And what effect would
     that have on the other children?"
         "By the neck?"  Miss Munch still was not satisfied.
         "By the neck until they are dead.  The other children always
     accept the example gracefully and do better.  Hanging isn't employed
     often.  Scarcely one child in a hundred is hanged."
dang
response 21 of 214: Mark Unseen   Sep 27 21:33 UTC 1996

Wow.  That actually sounds interesting. :)  I have no idea who it is, tho.
(it is like Heinlein)
krj
response 22 of 214: Mark Unseen   Sep 27 21:54 UTC 1996

I was going to mention the part about the hangings.  :)
raven
response 23 of 214: Mark Unseen   Sep 28 01:10 UTC 1996

        Doris Lessing?
krj
response 24 of 214: Mark Unseen   Sep 28 04:52 UTC 1996

This is probably against the rules, but what the heck: it's a chance to 
promote a favorite author.  Same author, different book:

     "And now I will baptize you," Valery spoke strangely 
  to ourself, "and you will be an unholy contraption no longer."
     "What?  Before I'm even born?" ourself asked.
     "Oh, you are quite born now," Valery grinned.  "We
  should have told you so, machine.  This may be as momentous
  to you as it is to us."
     Valery had a gallon jug of that cheap wine that she drinks
  and she was waving it around dangerously.
     "In the name of the twin archangels Israfael and Rafael
  to whom are delegated all mechanical things, in the sight of
  all holy persons present and in the knowing of all other 
  exceptional persons whose pre'cis are in the stew, I name you
  --" she smashed the top of the jug off on one of the near 
  high-spinning gyros (giving ourself slight malfunction and
  rumble forever) and sloshed the sour red stuff all over
  ourself's interior  ...  "I name you Epiktistes!"
 
  ...

     Valery lighted a long wax candle and set it in the jungle of 
  my mechanisms and tanks.
     "I light the candle of understanding in your heart," she said.
     "It is an anachronism, Epikt," said Cogsworth, who had 
  thought of the candle, "but we want you to have it.  
  For symbolism, and in case of power failure."



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