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jdg00
THe Grex Book Club Mark Unseen   Dec 5 03:26 UTC 1994

Item 26 was about book discussion groups -- book clubs, if you will.

I thought it was time that Grex itself have a book club, and the books
conference also seems like the right place to put the "club." It would
as I envision it, be similar to any other book discussion group, in that
members of the group would all read the same book, and then have an open
discussion about it.  Rather than all meeting the same day, though, we
will use Grex.  We miss out on the cookies, coffee, and sitting around
someone's living room, of course; but on the positive side, the discussions
can go on for more than one evening each month; and simultaneous meetings
on different books area easy to manage.

I thought that we could use these last few weeks of the year to get
organized: picking out books, setting up basic discussion schedules,
and the like.  

It would be nice to get started in January, wouldn't it?
86 responses total.
rcurl
response 1 of 86: Mark Unseen   Dec 5 07:40 UTC 1994

How do book discussion groups choose the books to read and discuss? 
kentn
response 2 of 86: Mark Unseen   Dec 5 14:56 UTC 1994

How do the Grex walkers choose restaurants?
rcurl
response 3 of 86: Mark Unseen   Dec 5 16:23 UTC 1994

Wrestle?
jdg00
response 4 of 86: Mark Unseen   Dec 6 00:23 UTC 1994

Re: 1-3.  Well, that question, if I read it correctly, is asking
how book groups choose what they read.  I'd guess that most either
have a demogogue leadership, or choose via nominations and voting.
I suppose it's a question better asked in item 26.  

Now, on Grex, though, I was hoping for an organized anarchy.  :-)
 
Seriously, I'd envisioned loose nominations and voting.  I thought we
might try 4 books in '95, figuring one per quarter or so.  I was also
hoping for distinctly different genres, sticking with fiction, since
it's easier to discuss as literature than non-fiction.
 
remmers
response 5 of 86: Mark Unseen   Dec 6 02:36 UTC 1994

Sounds like a neat idea.  I'll participate.
raven
response 6 of 86: Mark Unseen   Dec 7 04:20 UTC 1994

        This sounds like a great idea, in fact it might be cool if it
evolved into occasional ftf meetings at some cafe in Ann Arbor.
omni
response 7 of 86: Mark Unseen   Dec 7 04:50 UTC 1994

 Count me in, as long as the books chosen aren't as dry as the desert wind
and as lifeless as a buffalo that has been caught out on the prarie in
the middle of a snowstorm ;)
  So, who picks the books?
kentn
response 8 of 86: Mark Unseen   Dec 7 06:13 UTC 1994

Throw out a few suggestions and see what Josh says :)
remmers
response 9 of 86: Mark Unseen   Dec 7 14:14 UTC 1994

I think we should start with Schopenhauer or Veblen.  :)
rcurl
response 10 of 86: Mark Unseen   Dec 7 16:22 UTC 1994

I've been very leery of book discussion groups ever since I joined
one, and the book was The Birds (Aristophanese). The "discussion"
went into the relevance of the book to current affairs (a Russian
immigrant had strong opinions on its relevance to communism), and
remmers
response 11 of 86: Mark Unseen   Dec 7 19:56 UTC 1994

Yes?  Yes?
rcurl
response 12 of 86: Mark Unseen   Dec 7 23:00 UTC 1994

Shit happens.
kentn
response 13 of 86: Mark Unseen   Dec 8 00:08 UTC 1994

Sounds like a good reason to avoid most things...
rcurl
response 14 of 86: Mark Unseen   Dec 8 07:20 UTC 1994

Well, to continue #10 after the crash....in brief, everyone wanted to talk
about the relevance of The Birds to their particular passion, but no one
wanted to talk about its relevance to 400 BC. It was both comical and
frustrating because no one was listening to anyone else, and they were all
trying to get the conversation back to what *they* thought. Blahhh. How
about, The Birds?  8-o.


kentn
response 15 of 86: Mark Unseen   Dec 8 16:58 UTC 1994

Is there a particular genre of fiction that people are interested in?
Can we get a consensus on that?
gerund
response 16 of 86: Mark Unseen   Dec 8 19:25 UTC 1994

I'd read anything just to get back into reading again.
I haven't read a book in over three months.
buk
response 17 of 86: Mark Unseen   Dec 8 20:26 UTC 1994

Yeah, sounds kinda cool.
I'm in. How about these suggestions....
Hemmingways "Men without Women"
Charles Bukowski's "Post Office" or "Tales of Ordinary Madness"
Umberto Eco's "Name of the Rose"
Camus "The Outsider" or "The Plague"
Steinbecks "Desolation Ropw"
William Carlos Williams "Goodnight, Encredia".
The Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy.
Anyway lets choose one we all agree on, soon.
Bye for now
bjt
response 18 of 86: Mark Unseen   Dec 9 21:55 UTC 1994

Rightnow I'm in themiddle of Insomnia, which, with my negligible amount
of free time, will take awhile..  BUt I'd love to participate.  How
about some Mark Twain.  Have started several some years back but never
finished many.
omni
response 19 of 86: Mark Unseen   Dec 10 05:04 UTC 1994

 I vote for that Barbara. How about "A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's
Court". If we used that one, at least I wouldn't have to go buy it.

  We could also look at some of Larry McMurtry's works, like "The 
Desert Rose" or " Anything For Billy" 2 of which don't seem to be
long at all, and are reletivly available cheap ;-)
jdg00
response 20 of 86: Mark Unseen   Dec 11 04:15 UTC 1994

re 15: How about selecting four different genres, first, and then selecting
representative samples, second?  This way, we can move forward without
committing ourselves to any individual authors.

Here's my four genre suggestions, and why:

1.      Science Fiction.  Some may say "cool."  Others may say "ewww."  
However, this type of fiction is wildly popular among the computer literate
population here on Grex.  I'd even go so far as to recommend the subgenre
commonly described as "cyberpunk" for its close-to-home feel.

2.      Romance.  No, not the fantasy sex books my wife buys by the
caseload from Harlequin and other bodice-ripper factories.  I was thinking
more in the lines of well respected literature.  I'm hesitant to 
give examples, since I don't want to influence a choice yet, but I'm 
looking for something generally recognized for quality: National Book
Award, Nobel Prize, etc.  Subcategory I'd recommend would be published
in this century and written in English, both to avoid anything like Rane's 
experience with "The Birds" and to avoid any possible translation
interpretation problems.

3.      Mystery.  I don't read this much, but a well paced, tense, gritty
whodunit might be a lot of fun to discuss, since in few other types of
fiction is it as easy to see the nuts and bolts it took to put the
story together.

4.      Adventure.  I don't read this much either, but there's so much
of it clogging the best seller lists, we ought to be able to find one
or two good ones published in the last few years.

Comments?  
omni
response 21 of 86: Mark Unseen   Dec 11 05:41 UTC 1994

  Sounds OK to me, Josh.  

  John D. MacDonald and Elmore Leonard are 2 good mystery authors, that
I have always enjoyed. I am presently 1/3 of the way through "Freaky
Deaky" by Leonard, and it's not too bad, also, it's set in Detroit which
makes it all the more enjoyable. ;)

remmers
response 22 of 86: Mark Unseen   Dec 11 15:15 UTC 1994

Re 20: Can you give a definition of what you *do* mean by "romance"?
There was a time when practically any novel was considered a romance,
including things like _Ivanhoe_ and _Robinson Crusoe_.  (Note: the
German word for "novel" is "Roman".)

I'd suggest replacing "romance" with "quality mainstream fiction" as
category 2.
jdg00
response 23 of 86: Mark Unseen   Dec 11 22:52 UTC 1994

Actually, I was thinking of broad, sweeping novels that would be considered
"quality mainstream fiction."  I'd actually consider Ivanhoe and Robinson
Crusoe as adventure rather than romance, but I understand the confusion.

So I'm happy to change the name to avoid confusion.  I was actually thinking
about about a better name for this category, and just couldn't come up with
one.
jdg00
response 24 of 86: Mark Unseen   Dec 16 10:34 UTC 1994

No comments since Sunday - do I take this as acceptance or as rejection?
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