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af296
Book discussion group Mark Unseen   Sep 21 23:30 UTC 1994

Does anyone    out there belong to a book discussion group? We have
a book readers newsletter for book groups.
24 responses total.
rcurl
response 1 of 24: Mark Unseen   Sep 22 05:47 UTC 1994

Please tell us about it - and who is "we". There have been inquiries
about book discussion groups in other items in this conference, but
this is the first item so identified. How would you like it to be
used? Discussion of book discussion groups? Some descriptions of
such - what they read and how they conduct discussions - would be
interesting.
gerund
response 2 of 24: Mark Unseen   Sep 22 20:52 UTC 1994

STARTING a book discussion would also be interesting.
raven
response 3 of 24: Mark Unseen   Sep 22 22:08 UTC 1994

        #2 agreed...
af296
response 4 of 24: Mark Unseen   Sep 24 23:54 UTC 1994

I was interested in finding out what other book discussion groups are
reading.  I also publish a bookreaders newsletter that reviews books
that are good for discussion.  I am always looking for new subscribers,
and for information on what other groups are reading.  I would also be
glad to share with anyone the "rules" that our book discussion group
has developed over the years.  I've been a member of this group over
twenty years, so we've changed rules many times.  I can also share what
our group will be reading this year.
remmers
response 5 of 24: Mark Unseen   Sep 25 04:10 UTC 1994

Sounds interesting -- please do.
thedave
response 6 of 24: Mark Unseen   Oct 26 03:04 UTC 1994

This sounds quite interesting..I'm definitely for starting one.
af296
response 7 of 24: Mark Unseen   Nov 1 15:28 UTC 1994

This t[D[D is the list of what our group is reading this year.
Jane and Prudence, Barbar Pym; In Country, Bobby Ann Mason; I AM One of
You Forever, Fred Chappel; Anna Karenina, Leo Tolstoy; Like Water for
Chocolate, [ALaura Esquivel; A Lesson Before Dying, Ernest Gaines;  The Holder
of the World, B. Mikherjee; Lucy, Jamaica Kincaid.  Any comments?
rcurl
response 8 of 24: Mark Unseen   Nov 1 19:10 UTC 1994

Yes - how do you find the time for such extensive reading? I've picked up
and set down the same book, for the last six months.
davel
response 9 of 24: Mark Unseen   Nov 1 19:18 UTC 1994

You're spending too much of your life on Grex, Rane.  That's all.
rcurl
response 10 of 24: Mark Unseen   Nov 1 19:36 UTC 1994

Why are you following me around, here, Dave?  ;->
mwarner
response 11 of 24: Mark Unseen   Nov 1 23:13 UTC 1994

I have resorted *gasp* to books on tape.  This is not nearly as
pleasurable or convenient as actually reading a book, but I find the net
effect to be the same.  Unfortunately, my free time is mostly in-car time.
After listening to a book, I feel as if I have read it.  Different ports,
same processor (and I am fortunate enough to have a choice of ports).

davel
response 12 of 24: Mark Unseen   Nov 2 02:40 UTC 1994

Re #10: I too am spending too much time on Grex, that's all.
kami
response 13 of 24: Mark Unseen   Nov 2 07:25 UTC 1994

I like books on tape, as I grew up on radio drama, but I have trouble
learning/retaining auditory information unless I can take notes to make it
visual/kinisthetic.
rcurl
response 14 of 24: Mark Unseen   Nov 2 14:17 UTC 1994

Doesn't that depend on what you want to be able to do with the
information? I always know if I have heard a recording before, so
I have learned/retained significant parts of all auditory information,
and I think the same would be true for most people.
mwarner
response 15 of 24: Mark Unseen   Nov 2 16:09 UTC 1994

Thinking about the eyes/ears port question more closely (subjectively of
course) I'd have to say my experience is the opposite of kami's.  I love
to read, but seem to have slightly better recall of books I have heard. 
My internal reading voice is silent.  The reader's voice seems to leave a
memory marker, but I also can think of the information in ways that don't
involve remembering voices on the tape, in other words as if I had read it
to myself.  None of this may test out, but the sensations are there.  I
think I'll leave this one to the clinical researchers.  

(apologies for the the drift)

omni
response 16 of 24: Mark Unseen   Nov 3 04:11 UTC 1994

 I have started to listen to Lonesome Dove on tape, and I am finding that
I am getting more from it, than if I was reading it. Also it's nice that
you can listen as you relax in your easy chair or bed. 
rcurl
response 17 of 24: Mark Unseen   Nov 3 06:47 UTC 1994

We listen to books on tapes on long car trips - generally books chosen by
our daughter. I've only *read* Gulliver's travels once, but I have *heard*
it a hundred times - and at least the first fifty times (;->) it was still
interesting, despite the familiarity. In fact, one looks forward to
hearing it again, which one would not do so frequently with a book (except
for those *special* books that one reads over and over). I feel that this
is related to what mwarner describes - *feel* is the right description of
both this opinion, and the effect. 

davel
response 18 of 24: Mark Unseen   Nov 3 15:55 UTC 1994

(I guess my problem is that I've got too many *special* books.)
omni
response 19 of 24: Mark Unseen   Nov 4 04:56 UTC 1994

 Books on Tape are also good if you're not feeling to well, and just want
to relax without concentrating on a book. It's helped me in the last few days.
rcurl
response 20 of 24: Mark Unseen   Nov 4 05:49 UTC 1994

Yes, you can read while sleeping, too. Do you find yourself in a dream
that follows the plot, omni?
mwarner
response 21 of 24: Mark Unseen   Nov 4 06:05 UTC 1994

I like travel books told in the first person.  This matches the narrative
on the tape and avoids the multiple character impersonations, being
written as "a telling".  The travel part suits the fact that I am
commuting.  I enjoyed a book by Tristan Jones(called "Ice" I think)
telling about his efforts to solo sail farther north than any person had
previously (in the 1950's).  He ended up stuck in the ice pack for many,
many months.  Somehow this fit the mood of traveling along in my car. 
Just had to watch out for those diesel ice bergs. 

  Another well done tape is "Cry of the Panther" by McMullen.  This is a
very unusual biographical account of a returning Vietnam war veteran who
retreats into the "jungle" of the Florida everglades in an obsessive
effort to learn to track the wild panther.  In discovering the ways of the
cat, he discovers the ways of his soul, etc. and learns what is necessary
to save both.  Sounds trite, and I personally disagree with some of his
religious conclusions, but the story is truly fascinating.  The
descriptions of his experiences in the everglades interweave with
considerations of events from Vietnam that he had been suppressing while
in civilization. 

  I found these tapes at the AAPL.  Both tapes have the advantage of being
well read (not always the case).
omni
response 22 of 24: Mark Unseen   Nov 5 19:11 UTC 1994

to answer 20-
   Not really. I found myself falling asleep at a midpoint in the tape
and I usually have to go rewind it before I can go on. I hope to adjust my
listening times so this doesn't happen again.
mwarner
response 23 of 24: Mark Unseen   Nov 6 04:10 UTC 1994

I also "check out" while in a car if I become tired.  The voices role, but
the brain is impervious.  Time for fresh air or obnoxious non-NPR radio.  
WARNING:  Books on tape in a car are a good way to pass time, but a lousy
way to stay awake!!!!!    (!!!!!)   :)
kami
response 24 of 24: Mark Unseen   Nov 8 05:47 UTC 1994

Actually, if I can't find talk radion that's tolerable, I like book tapes
for staying awake on long trips- more complex and engaging than music. But
I really do have terrible recall from them- I can just about reconstruct the
general plot for someone, while I can retell many print books fairly well.
And I hate  to have my hands empty, so I won't often sit still and just
listen to a tape.  Then, when I get involved in whatever make-work task I
have chosen, I end up tuning out and forgetting about the book. I guess they
really do go best in a car.
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