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carson
Top Gun: what is it REALLY about? Mark Unseen   Jan 23 11:55 UTC 1995

Dis here item's for discussing "Top Gun" as an allegory of
sexual struggle.
34 responses total.
carson
response 1 of 34: Mark Unseen   Jan 23 12:13 UTC 1995

In the movie "Sleep With Me," there is a scene at a party where two
people are discussing "Top Gun" as a strugle with sexuality. The
other night I watched "Top Gun" for the first time, bearing in
mind the above theory, and came away with these points:

The communications while in the aircraft are often loaded with
sexual imagery and metaphors. Such phrases as "He's on my tail!,"
"I'm losing control!," and "Coming in hard!" are exchanged 
between pilots. Even on the ground, flying is discussed as if it
were sex.

Maverick is wreckless as a pilot, but he's also reckless in his
sexuality, going for girls (Charlie [note the unisex name]) and
guys (Goose, for one [keep in mind other uses of the word "goose"])
alike. He can't choose, and he often goes back and forth between
the two.

Iceman represents the homosexual side. Note his attempts to turn
Maverick to his side. He will often tell Maverick that he's being
wreckless and unsafe and that he should stick with his buddies.

Charlie represents the heterosexual side. She tries to convert
Maverick by masquerading in sheep's clothing, so to speak. During
one scene in particular, she moves in on Maverick only to have
him leave. The next time we see Charlie, she has her hair tied up,
she's wearing a cap, and she looks like a guy! This change of
appearance makes Maverick pay attention.

Goose also seems to struggle with his sexuality. He's married
with a kid, but he still can't seem to leave the homosexual
side. While flying (sex!) with Charlie, they lose control and
Goose dies (from internal bleeding, nonetheless!). Goose
*had* to die, because he had wavered too far from the homosexual
side.

One of the last scenes in the movie involves Maverick rescuing
Iceman during aerial combat. Afterwards, Iceman thanks him by
saying, "You can be my wingman anytime!," which signals 
Maverick's accepting of his homosexuality.

Any thoughts? I'm going to see about seeing it again while
taking notes. I think it's an interesting theory.
remmers
response 2 of 34: Mark Unseen   Jan 23 14:38 UTC 1995

I haven't seen "Top Gun", but it's an interesting theory, so maybe
I'll have a look at the film.  Director Tony Scott also did "True
Romance" (from a Quentin Tarantino script), so I wouldn't put it past
him.
robh
response 3 of 34: Mark Unseen   Jan 24 02:58 UTC 1995

This is now linked from Arts 96 to Sexuality 86.
carson
response 4 of 34: Mark Unseen   Jan 24 05:03 UTC 1995

(on a side note, Quentin Tarantino was one of the actors who was
discussing "Top Gun" during the aforementioned scene in "Sleep
With Me.")
selena
response 5 of 34: Mark Unseen   Jan 24 21:26 UTC 1995

        Um, WHATEVER. I think there are some folks here with FAR too much time
on their hands, and not enough of something else. :}
steve
response 6 of 34: Mark Unseen   Jan 25 03:17 UTC 1995

   I think that for the above statements ("I'm losing control") to be
construed as sexual is as Selena says a sign that some people are
thinking idly too much.  It's also a sure sign that the person who
said that has never flown a plane--"control" is exactly what every
pilot deathly afriad of losing.  Losing control usually means that
you have a good chance of dying.

   Overall, I see people talking about sexual references to things
all the time, and most of the time I think its a complete crock.
Sex isn't everything, and not everything is sexual.  Trying to draw
such comparisons just doesn't work.
other
response 7 of 34: Mark Unseen   Jan 25 04:33 UTC 1995

If "Top Gun" were a real story, rather than a film, perhaps it would exclude
the possibility of a subtext introduced by the screenwriters intentionally.
In other words, because it is a complete fiction, there is a very realistic
possibility that the writers developed the dialogue with the intention of
employing dual meaning, just as a form of design conceit.
remmers
response 8 of 34: Mark Unseen   Jan 25 12:34 UTC 1995

Re #6:  Und Herr Andre, just how long haff you been into zis denial
conzerning sexuality?
steve
response 9 of 34: Mark Unseen   Jan 26 17:44 UTC 1995

   Never.  I just don't see sexual allogory everywhere I turn, which
does seem to be increasingly rare. ;-)
remmers
response 10 of 34: Mark Unseen   Jan 27 11:32 UTC 1995

Verrry interestink...
selena
response 11 of 34: Mark Unseen   Jan 27 16:30 UTC 1995

        Johann Sigmund Remmers? Oh, brother!
randall
response 12 of 34: Mark Unseen   Jan 28 04:29 UTC 1995

Oh, sister! (sorry, instinctual).
carson
response 13 of 34: Mark Unseen   Jan 29 09:04 UTC 1995

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canis
response 14 of 34: Mark Unseen   Jan 29 20:50 UTC 1995

I guess I'll have to see Top Gun .... it does sound intersting... 
Although it makes me wonder how many other such films there are out 
there, and books, in particular Alice in Wonderland, and Through the 
Looking Glass come to mind. 
STeve, it seems to me that there are only cirtian patterns to follow in 
life and perhaps only one, and whats happening here is Carson is just 
taking a big step back and looking at them.
sidhe
response 15 of 34: Mark Unseen   Jan 30 04:44 UTC 1995

        Art is there to invoke a reaction from the patron. Make of it what
you will, I say.
selena
response 16 of 34: Mark Unseen   Jan 30 15:54 UTC 1995

        I still say you all have WAY too much time on your hands!
randall
response 17 of 34: Mark Unseen   Feb 1 06:30 UTC 1995

Oh certainly.  That's why we're *HERE*.
raytlee
response 18 of 34: Mark Unseen   Feb 2 10:13 UTC 1995

Selena, considering how much time I spent here, there ain't much time left on
my hands ;-(
selena
response 19 of 34: Mark Unseen   Feb 10 17:41 UTC 1995

        Well, maybe you should do something more *interesting* with your
hands, then. <wink>
nchayes
response 20 of 34: Mark Unseen   Feb 12 06:52 UTC 1995

so I covered my keyboard with bunny fur and imagined it
was selens[Da. since losing control is what pilots fear.. are you 
suggesting thast all pilots have a fear of los of control in sex or theri
sexuality?
sidhe
response 21 of 34: Mark Unseen   Feb 12 23:52 UTC 1995

        Now *I* have to say it's going a bit far..
selena
response 22 of 34: Mark Unseen   Feb 13 10:13 UTC 1995

        Oh, you did, hmm.. And what did you INPUT using this keyboard, may I
ask?
other
response 23 of 34: Mark Unseen   Feb 14 06:10 UTC 1995

His digital organ!  ;)
selena
response 24 of 34: Mark Unseen   Feb 14 16:38 UTC 1995

        So, how big is it, in KiloBytes?
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