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aa8ij
Today's TV: Are quality shows passe`? Mark Unseen   May 25 05:16 UTC 1993

      Reading in TV Guide this week, I was shocked to see that most if
not all the quality shows like "Homefront", "Quantum Leap", and "Brooklyn
Bridge" are in danger of being vaporized, while inane shows like "Full House",
"Family Matters" and "Step by Step" just won, on the average renewals for
2-3 more seasons. 
     What do you want in a TV show? should it be intelligent and thought
provoking, or should it be less than that?? 

40 responses total.
mta
response 1 of 40: Mark Unseen   May 25 06:16 UTC 1993

Kind of a loaded question, dontcha think, Jim?  How many people are *really*
likely to admit that

        "Naw, I don't want to *think*, just gimme some mind candy and go away"

??


        ;)
glenda
response 2 of 40: Mark Unseen   May 25 13:22 UTC 1993

There are times that I want intelligent and thought provoking and times I
want silly sitcoms.  There is room for both.  Unfortunately the network
program people seem to lean too far toward the sitcoms instead of aiming
for a good balance.  If I can't find intelligent when I am in the mood for
it, I turn to PBS, The Learning Channel or Discovery, there are plenty of
good shows there.  TLC has even come up with _Beakman's World_ which is
intelligent, thought provoking and silly.  It is a program which explains
science in a way that even young children (Staci cries when it finishes
and when she wants to watch it at times that it isn't showing, its one of
her favorite shows) can understand.  It is one of the few shows on that we
all sit down and watch as a family.  I would like to see others like it.
hawkeye
response 3 of 40: Mark Unseen   May 25 14:51 UTC 1993

I want TV to either make me laugh, give me information that I wouldn't
be able to get from another source, or make me "
care" about the characters.
 
I don't expect much from TV and I am usually not disappointed in that
respect.
aa8ij
response 4 of 40: Mark Unseen   May 26 02:37 UTC 1993

  yes and no , Misti. The no, being that Homefront and BB were good shows, 
and it seems that IS what America wants, but there is a question of which
America is speaking, IS it the teenage America that rules the ratings or
is it the people of outr generation?? Seeing that a crud show like 90210
or Married with children flourish it must be the latter.
   I'd like to see quality programming and honest straitforward advertising
with occaisonal quality movies tossed in to make the mix interesting. But
it seems that we are evolving toward more panderous and tittlating material
during the ratings period. That may be what it's gonna take.
aahz
response 5 of 40: Mark Unseen   Jun 6 13:38 UTC 1993

In response to #2 Beakman's World is a Great show I know of at least 4
familiies who all sit down together and watch it (CBS also carries Beakman's
world) TV often unites busy families even if they're glued to the set parents
and children are watching more and more TV together.
glenda
response 6 of 40: Mark Unseen   Jun 6 14:41 UTC 1993

What day and time does CBS show Beakman's World?  I've not seen it listed
anywhere but TLC.
aa8ij
response 7 of 40: Mark Unseen   Jun 6 19:03 UTC 1993

 I think it's on like at 7:00 am or something like that, I too like Beakman,
and especially that mouse that plays sidekick. Ch 6 and 11 air it at
different times because of farm reports, but more than likely it's around
7 or 8am. (wouldn't want to make that kind of show mainstream or anything,
now would we?) 
set sarcasm=off
jdg
response 8 of 40: Mark Unseen   Jun 6 21:13 UTC 1993

It's a lab rat, Jim.
aa8ij
response 9 of 40: Mark Unseen   Jun 7 06:20 UTC 1993

 mouse, rat, who can tell these days??? Is Mickey a Rat?? only if you eqaute
him with the slimy pratices of Disney. 

   Speaking of that and I really don't mean to drift, but what do y'all
think of Disney's practice of taking certain movies off the shelf solely
for the point of re introducing them to a different generation. When I
went to the local video store (Suncoast) to BUY Time Bandits, I was told that
THIS movie is owned by Disney and they have permanently shelved it until 
1998 or beyond. Currently there are no plans to market it. Slimebags.
 I need my David Warner fix now and then. He played the part of Evil so
well that it makes the movie a classic solely by that one performance.
arabella
response 10 of 40: Mark Unseen   Jun 10 06:38 UTC 1993

I really don't see how you can compare Married w/children to
90210...  MWC is totally unwatchable, at least to me, while
I follow 90210 most of the time.  I'm not saying 90210 is classic,
perfect TV, but it is *reasonably* well written, *reasonably*
well acted, and I guess it kind of makes me wish my teenage
years had been a lot more fun than they were (wishful
thinking or something).

What really annoys me about the networks lately is how they
keep reneging (how do you spell that?) on their promises
to viewers.  When they brought back Brooklyn Bridge, they
said they'd show the last six episodes of the series.  
*beeeep* wrongo!  They only showed 3 episodes, and then
cancelled it again with no warning.  Same deal with
Delta when they brought *that* back:  3 episodes instead
of the 6 that were promised, and Delta even got really
good ratings (hitting #11 one week, I think)!  And how
the hell do they expect a series to develop a following when
they move its time slot constantly, or preempt it every
other week?  I think network television may be
dying a slow, and very painful death.
katie
response 11 of 40: Mark Unseen   Jun 10 13:38 UTC 1993

I like to watch Married With Children once in a while.
aaron
response 12 of 40: Mark Unseen   Jun 10 15:22 UTC 1993

re #10:  I just checked some old TV ratings.  Seven episodes of Brooklyn
         Bridge were made last season, and they tied for 99'th place in the
         ratings with "I'll Fly Away."  "Quality" or no, people have to
         watch shows if they want them to stay on TV.
hawkeye
response 13 of 40: Mark Unseen   Jun 10 15:53 UTC 1993

90210 is *well written*?  Bleah.  Admittedly, *some* of the storylines
are interesting, but for the most part it is painfully bad.  I suppose
it is a guilty pleasure, but nothing I would admit to watching.
 
And as for the acting -- I've never seen worse acting than the "Free
Donna Martin" episode.  Every single member of the cast looked embarrassed
to be there.
aa8ij
response 14 of 40: Mark Unseen   Jun 10 20:26 UTC 1993

   I did catch part one of that episode, and if you don't mind me saying
so, she *deliberatly* showed up to the prom drunk, even after they were warned
about it. I say that she got everything she deserved. Is it now the trend to
do the "crime" then deny you were ever there? what kind of example did
this show to the young folk? I think what it said was " Go ahead and break
the rules, you can always rally your friends and get off without a hitch"
and this is the wrong message to send. I think that 90210 should be 
vaporized into oblivion.

  I'd be embarrassed to rally for a cause I thought was wrong.

shame on Arron Spelling.
aaron
response 15 of 40: Mark Unseen   Jun 11 01:24 UTC 1993

Shame on him for what?  As bad as 90210 is, can you say that it is any worse
than the dozens of shows that made him filthy rich in the 1970's and 80's?
The "shame" is that people watch that garbage.
aa8ij
response 16 of 40: Mark Unseen   Jun 11 04:58 UTC 1993

  for endorsing ok
aa8ij
response 17 of 40: Mark Unseen   Jun 11 05:02 UTC 1993

   shame on him for advocating drunkeness. He could have just as easily
had the teens abstain, since many of them are not 21 and therefore drinking
illegally. I don't know what the law states in CA, but teen drinking is
really a problem that will only get worse if let go like this.

aaron
response 18 of 40: Mark Unseen   Jun 11 14:38 UTC 1993

Ah...  So television programs must protect us from reality....
young
response 19 of 40: Mark Unseen   Jun 19 00:54 UTC 1993

What are you talking about?  90210 is all about in-you-face realism.  I mean,
I truly and honestly care about the problems of a bunch of pretty, rich brats
in Beverly Hills.

aa8ij
response 20 of 40: Mark Unseen   Jun 19 04:10 UTC 1993

  oh brother!!!
..
polygon
response 21 of 40: Mark Unseen   Jun 19 18:38 UTC 1993

We have a TV and cable now, but I hardly ever watch it, except for the
Weather Channel, C-Span, and news shows.  I find sitcoms hard to get
into, especially in the evening when I'm likely to be busy or tired.

Janice watches "L.A. Law" once in a while.  And because she was watching
it, I saw the final episode of "Cheers".  She had to explain the inside
jokes to me, though, since I didn't know the characters.

I hear people discuss "90210" and "Seinfeld" and "Married With Children",
but I've never seen them.  The cost of this is that I feel isolated from
the culture.  I never got to see the ad which generated all the enthusiasm
for the line "I've fallen and I can't get up!"  Jokes go over my head all
the time because I'm not up on what everybody else sees.

I suppose I'm kind of untypical in seeing so little, but I think I *do*
illustrate a trend in that I watch so much less than I did when I was
younger and poorer.  (I was raised in front of a TV, of course.)  People
watch less TV as they move from adolescence toward middle age, as they
become more educated, as they become busier and have other forms of
stimulation.

The effect of this is that, at any given moment, the median person watching
a television set in the U.S. is likely to be relatively young (children
watch something like 6 hours a day, average), less educated, etc.  The
makers of TV shows, especially old-time broad-based network TV shows, have
to appeal to the middle of this audience.
chelsea
response 22 of 40: Mark Unseen   Jun 20 18:47 UTC 1993

I did not spend my childhood watching television.  I've never followed
any sitcoms except for maybe six or eight episodes of All in the Family
when it was first being broadcast.  I find commercial television a wasteland
and if it were not for the video rentals I wouldn't have a tv in the house.

I have about as much respect for television junkies as I do Catholics. ;-)
aa8ij
response 23 of 40: Mark Unseen   Jun 20 22:06 UTC 1993

  thank you, Newton Minow. ;-)
griz
response 24 of 40: Mark Unseen   Jun 21 16:17 UTC 1993

Re #21:
I'm *sure* my father has watched far more television as a middle-aged
man than as a child or teenager.
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