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cybergod
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INDEPENDENCE DAY: THE MOVIE
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Jul 3 04:56 UTC 1996 |
Anyone here seen Independence Day yet? I thought it was a GREAT movie. If you
haven't seen it yet, I command you to. I will be in the movie theaters all
sumer seeing the same movie over and over again!
LAND OF THE FREE. . . . AND THE HOME OF THE BRAVE
WE WON'T GO WITH OUT A FIGHT!
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tsty
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response 1 of 166:
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Jul 3 07:13 UTC 1996 |
oh, you were at the police riot a cpl saturdays ago, too?
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void
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response 2 of 166:
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Jul 3 09:44 UTC 1996 |
sorry, i don't take commands from anybody. ;) 'sides, as i've said
elsewhere, i expect movies to have *plots*.
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scott
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response 3 of 166:
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Jul 3 10:59 UTC 1996 |
Er, the Arts conference is a much better place for this...
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meg
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response 4 of 166:
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Jul 3 11:57 UTC 1996 |
Why? It's a topic of general interest.
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jerryr
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response 5 of 166:
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Jul 3 14:28 UTC 1996 |
please don't get too specific with your comments. a lot of us plan to see
it but have not as yet. ie don't tell me you didn't like the fact that the
butler did it, k?
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chelsea
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Jul 3 17:10 UTC 1996 |
There is a clever entry near the end of the credits. Something like -
The Humane Society supervised all scenes where animals were used.
No animal or alien was harmed in the making of this film.
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vig
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response 7 of 166:
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Jul 3 19:54 UTC 1996 |
wheww!, no aliens where hurt.
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dadroc
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response 8 of 166:
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Jul 3 22:23 UTC 1996 |
The movie sounds very republican to me. We lost Vietnam, but the aliens
got what they deserved!
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lk
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response 9 of 166:
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Jul 4 08:40 UTC 1996 |
Humph. What about the Humans? Were any harmed in the making of this film?
I think most people here, in the on-line community, will agree that the
deux ex machina was pretty silly. Good thing the aliens go by our protocols.
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remmers
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response 10 of 166:
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Jul 4 12:00 UTC 1996 |
"The deux ex machina was pretty silly" were essentially my thoughts
too. This movie rated rather low with me in the suspension-of-
disbelief department, especially toward the end. Also, I thought
the characters and their relationships (i.e. the filler they used
between the special effects) were pretty cookie-cutter. However,
the cleverness of the ethnic balance in the final whoop-de-do was
not lost on me. This film's saving grace was that it didn't take
itself too seriously.
As to the special effects -- pretty smashing, but repetitious after
a while. ("Hey, neat scene of a fireball with cars flying around
like tumbleweeds and people running and screaming. Er, didn't we
see one just like it a few minutes ago?") I saw the 1925 silent
version of "Ben Hur" in a theater a few months ago, complete with
live orchestra, and I thought the special effects in that one--
the Star of Bethlehem, the battle at sea,the chariot race --
were more dazzling and affecting than anything ID4 offered up,
despite the far cruder film technology of the time. High-tech
glitz is not everything.
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remmers
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response 11 of 166:
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Jul 4 12:43 UTC 1996 |
Re #3: Scott, go to your room. :)
PS: Summer agora item 35 is now linked as item 24 in (guess what?)
the ARTS Conference!
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remmers
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response 12 of 166:
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Jul 4 12:43 UTC 1996 |
(make that item 124...)
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robh
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response 13 of 166:
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Jul 4 14:31 UTC 1996 |
Oh sure, and nobody thinks to tell the Sci-Fi fair witnesses... >8)
This item has been linked to Sci-Fi 82.
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gull
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response 14 of 166:
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Jul 4 19:03 UTC 1996 |
I want one of those alien fighters to fly to work in. ;)
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cybergod
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response 15 of 166:
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Jul 5 03:04 UTC 1996 |
You guys make me sick... we'll most of you. Your so caught up in the real
world you can't even go to see a movie. "There so fake. Nothing like that can
happen." Expand you imagination.... God, eeeuuggghh...
IF YOU DON'T LIKE SCIENCE FICTION.... WHY DID YOU COME INTO THIS ANYWAY?
Don't try to be a buisness man/woman all of your lives... remmers.... your
the one I'm talking to... don't make like a two giagantor paragraph about
nothing but gloop about the movie! Don't come here if you didn't like it!!
And don't ANY OF you try to critisise this. Sorry if I was harsh... I dought
if I was... but I wanted to talk my mind....
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robh
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Jul 5 04:11 UTC 1996 |
Re 15 - If you don't want your writing criticized, you shouldn't
be putting it here. We're all critics, and very free with our
criticism. Remember that, for many of us, science fiction
should emphasize the SCIENCE, and try to be as realistic as
possible.
That said, I didn't think the story was so bad. Let's face it,
in any story with aliens invading the Earth, the author has to
come up with some way for the higher-tech invaders to be
defeated, unless s/he wants to go the more difficult route
of having the aliens win. (Which has been done, but who would
go to see a movie that ended like that?) The only reasonable
one I've ever seen is _The_War_of_the_World_'s infectious
bacteria, and that's been done. Anyone here seen Roger Corman's
_It_Conquered_the_World_ ? An alien that manages to selectively
stop all electric and water supplies all over the world, use
little critters to take over the minds of various people, and
how is it defeated? The hero burns its eye out with a pocket
blow torch. Yep. Uh huh. Compared to that, the ending of
_Independence_Day_ is worthy of Arthur C. Clarke.
Most of my problems with the film are indicative of why I dislike
most Hollywood films these days anyway, which I can't really
mention here without spoiling the story.
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marcvh
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response 17 of 166:
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Jul 5 06:07 UTC 1996 |
There's a scene in the second half of ID4 where Jeff "I was a good
actor ten years ago" Goldblum addresses Will as "Wil" instead of
as his character's name (which was no more memorable than anything
else about any of the characters.) Did I (my wife actually) imagine
that or was there really really bad checking on the edit?
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diggy
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Jul 5 09:00 UTC 1996 |
hi...i really do admit that sci-fi has got to be as realistic as possible.
hi flier and those stuff are damn fizzy ...but how can one be so
fickle to do that.....gonna be crazy over doddle ....wooowww....
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jerryr
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response 19 of 166:
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Jul 5 12:51 UTC 1996 |
i am not a fan of science fiction. i usually will only go see a sci-fi movie
if it has been hyped to the extent that ID4 has been. i'm not even sure if
i can put some films i have really liked into the right catagories (star wars
and alien nation are two very different films) and i love to be able to
suspend belief. i am much more tolerant of sci-fi movies because i am not
really a fan and my expectations are very low.
i am hyper critical of police procedurals (i have more than a fair amount
of knowledge in this area) that portray things so far beyond the realm of
reason that the whole movie is ruined for me (ie jamie lee curtis in blue
steel going into that supermarket by herself when she had never been in
the place before w/o backup and then being rewarded for her stupidity by
being taken out of the bag and put in plain clothes. in real life she would
have been suspened and prolly fired. all that happened within minutes of
director's credit fading from the screen.)
as i left ID4 my only comment was that the original stars wars was a much
better film.
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remmers
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response 20 of 166:
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Jul 5 14:08 UTC 1996 |
Re #15: I like good science fiction. "ID4" was fun but had some
glaring weaknesses as science fiction. Nah, I won't shut up about
it. I get to "talk my mind" just as much as you do.
The hype for ID4 has sure been out of this world though. The
producers are probably reading the criticism and crying all the way
to the bank...
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robh
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response 21 of 166:
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Jul 5 14:55 UTC 1996 |
Re 17 - Wil Smith's character was named "Hiller", your wife
may have heard that as "Wil".
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bru
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response 22 of 166:
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Jul 5 16:17 UTC 1996 |
Or perhaps it was the "Fire at will" order. (Wil Ducks)
I enjoyed the movie. It had some plot holes, (Why did it take so long
for the military to react?), some logic holes, (Can a 747 really outrun a Mach
wave during takeoff?), and some character holes, (Are exotic dancers really t
nice?)
But, it was fun. The good guys won in the end even if it was by "Deus Ex
Machina".
Suspend your disbelief and enjoy it. And the puns adn references to other
movies. See how many you can find.
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robh
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Jul 5 17:42 UTC 1996 |
Actually, the exotic dancers I've known really have been
decent folk. Not perfect, but as Mr. Silverman said in
the movie, "Nobody's perfect."
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void
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Jul 5 17:43 UTC 1996 |
well, bru, i can't answer all of your questions, but i do know some women
who used to be exotic dancers. and yes, they are some mighty nice people and
mighty good friends. ;)
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