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Dec 5 18:00 UTC 2003

re:  "(janc) on Fri Dec 5 : . . . Traditional liberals want government 
to play a larger role, providing more services"

Adam Smith was a "Traditional liberal."

"The liberal hero is the man involved in his community.  The 
conservative hero is the man who stands on his own two feet."

How does your local Chamber of Commerce fit in here?

And the entire argument spirals downward after that.

Most politicians will spend whatever they can get their hands on as a 
means of buying votes.  Reduce taxes.  Starve the beast.