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Anti-semitism revisited Mark Unseen   Oct 12 21:41 UTC 2003

In item 60, other states:

> Arabs are Semites.  The phrase "anti-semitic" applies to both Arabs and
> Jews.

The term "antisemitic" was coined by Jew-haters around 1879 as a euphemism
to create a more scientific sounding description of themselves. 

Does "antisemitism" mean more than the hatred of Jews? 

Words do not mean the sum of their parts. We drive on "parkways" yet park on
"driveways". Something that is "inflammable" can burn quite well. 

Beyond that, there is no such thing as "Semitic" people. In modern usage,
Semitic refers to a language group. Roughly half the people of Ethiopia speak
a Semitic language, does that mean that Ethiopians are Semitic? Or just half?
And could any "antisemite" really distinguish between these languages to
formulate such a hatred of only those Ethiopians who spoke a Semitic language?

In the Bible, Semitic refers to the peoples who were the sons of Shem (one
of Noah's sons). But unless you are a fundamentalist believer and also believe
other things in the Bible, don't even try to run with this. 

"Antisemitism" was invented by "antisemites" to mean exactly one thing: the
hatred of Jews. 
89 responses total.
other
response 1 of 89: Mark Unseen   Oct 12 21:51 UTC 2003

Ok, I can handle being wrong.  Thanks for updating my etymological 
library.
other
response 2 of 89: Mark Unseen   Oct 12 21:52 UTC 2003

By the way, could you refer me to your sources?
lk
response 3 of 89: Mark Unseen   Oct 12 22:24 UTC 2003

We can start by looking up dictionary definitions.

The American Heritage Dictionary (4th Ed. (c) 2000)

|  One who discriminates against or who is hostile toward or prejudiced
|  against Jews.

Princeton University's WordNet (1.6, (c) 1997)

|  n: someone who hates and would persecute Jews [syn: Jew-baiter]

Merriam-Webster on-line:

|  n: hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious,
|  ethnic or racial group. (1882)

There is some controversy over the exact date of origin of the word.
I suppose 1882 could be correct, though I've seen it dated to 1879 elsewhere.


Seems as if a new book has just been published on this topic, too:

http://www.saur.de/index.cfm?content=service/02_press/frameset03.htm&menu=s
ervice2

The Berlin Anti-Semitism Dispute of 1879, caused by the historian Heinrich
von Treitschke, polarized the entire society of its time. The dispute dealt
above all with the recent legal emancipation of German Jews and with the
question of whether Jews were part of the German cultural nation. The dispute
was important for the development of anti-Semitism. In many of its aspects
and arguments it is still current. With the title Der Berliner
Antisemitismusstreit 1879-1881 (The Berlin Dispute on anti-Semitism
1879-1881), the Zentrum fr Antisemitismusforschung in Berlin publishes a
comprehensive source edition, which makes all important texts on this topic
both published and unpublished  accessible for the first time. 


http://cghs.dade.k12.fl.us/holocaust/chronology.htm

Anti-Semitism is the political, social, and economic agitation and activities
directed against Jews. The term is now used to denote anti-Judaic acts or
sentiments based on any grounds, including religious ones. The adjective
Semitic originally was applied to all descendants of Shem, the eldest son of
the biblical patriarch Noah; in later usage it refers to a group of peoples
of southwestern Asia, including both Jews and Arabs. The word anti-Semitism
was coined in 1879 to denote hostility only towards Jews. This hostility is
supposedly justified by a theory, first developed in Germany, that peoples
of the so-called Aryan stock are superior in physique and character to all
those of Semitic stock. This racial superiority was used to justify the civil
and religious persecution of Jews during Hitler's Holocaust.

1879 - Wilhelm Marr introduces the term anti-Semite into politics while
founding the first anti-Semitic party.


http://www.remember.org/guide/History.root.modern.html

In 1878, the Social Democratic Party was outlawed, and democratic efforts were
stifled. In the 1890s, political democracy was blocked by the rising power
of German industrialists and diverted by imperialist expansion. This period
also coincided with a new cycle of anti-Semitism, with Jews being blamed for
manipulating peasants and small businessmen into resisting the traditional
social and economic order. Jews were blamed for the severe economic depression
of 1873. In the same year, Wilhelm Marr, a journalist who coined the term
"anti-Semitism," wrote a pamphlet, "The Victory of Jewry over Germandom." It
was very successful, going through twelve editions in six years. Using ideas
of race and Vilkisch nationalism, Marr argued that Jews had become the "first
major power in the West" in the 19th century. He accused the Jews of being
liberals, a people without roots who had Judaized Germans "beyond salvation."
In 1879, he founded the League for Anti-Semitism. 

See also:
http://astro.temple.edu/~hfreiden/Antisemitism/whatis.htm
http://www.yahoodi.com/peace/antisemitism.html
http://www.jewishbookmall.com/books_on_anti-semitism.htm
other
response 4 of 89: Mark Unseen   Oct 13 01:57 UTC 2003

Ahh.  So my source for the claim of Arab application was basing it on a 
fallacious understanding of the origin of the construct.  Thanks.
clees
response 5 of 89: Mark Unseen   Oct 13 06:18 UTC 2003

Arabs consider themselves sons of Shem too.
It makes them semites.
happyboy
response 6 of 89: Mark Unseen   Oct 13 07:16 UTC 2003

i considder mysef a SON OF SHEMP
mcnally
response 7 of 89: Mark Unseen   Oct 13 07:22 UTC 2003

  So do we..
happyboy
response 8 of 89: Mark Unseen   Oct 13 15:52 UTC 2003

i considder you a amoco microwave cheeseburger.
lk
response 9 of 89: Mark Unseen   Oct 13 16:30 UTC 2003

Clees, can you demonstrate for us that the "sons of Shem" were known
as "Semites"?  (That is, prior to 1879.)
sj2
response 10 of 89: Mark Unseen   Oct 13 20:21 UTC 2003

Heh, I doubt if arabs know they are supposed to be sons of Shem. I am 
serious. I really dont think they even care. Come here and live for 
sometime and you will know what I am talking about.

The arab cares about his car, lots of food and generally a good life. I 
seriously doubt they bother about all this.
rcurl
response 11 of 89: Mark Unseen   Oct 13 20:58 UTC 2003

That's not how the vocal ones talk.
aaron
response 12 of 89: Mark Unseen   Oct 13 21:01 UTC 2003

Bigotry is bigotry is bigotry. Leeron's bigotry against Arabs, for example,
may not make him an anit-Semite, but it is nonetheless an ugly, ugly thing.
gull
response 13 of 89: Mark Unseen   Oct 13 21:56 UTC 2003

Re #11: What impression would you get about the U.S. if you listened to
nothing but the nightly news and AM talk radio?
cross
response 14 of 89: Mark Unseen   Oct 13 22:13 UTC 2003

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tod
response 15 of 89: Mark Unseen   Oct 13 22:53 UTC 2003

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happyboy
response 16 of 89: Mark Unseen   Oct 14 00:43 UTC 2003

What if my dad's name is Shekkie?
albaugh
response 17 of 89: Mark Unseen   Oct 14 15:32 UTC 2003

> The arab cares about his car, lots of food and generally a good life.

That reminds me somewhat about Jimmy Carter's cabinet member Earl Butz's
"Tight, loose, and warm" comments in 197x.
cross
response 18 of 89: Mark Unseen   Oct 14 15:54 UTC 2003

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sj2
response 19 of 89: Mark Unseen   Oct 14 16:14 UTC 2003

Re #17, I told you, you have to come here and live to understand what I 
mean. I think you will find that there is not so much hatred here as 
the media reports.
remmers
response 20 of 89: Mark Unseen   Oct 14 16:27 UTC 2003

(Re #17: Earl Butz was Gerald Ford's cabinet member, not Jimmy Carter's.)
albaugh
response 21 of 89: Mark Unseen   Oct 14 16:43 UTC 2003

My bad - the 70's are all a blur now.  :-)  At least Jimmy had his brother!
mynxcat
response 22 of 89: Mark Unseen   Oct 14 17:41 UTC 2003

The only thing I know about Arab dislike of Jews was that Jewish 
products were banned in Kuwait. No Revlon. No Paramount Pictures ( is 
that Jewish owned? All I know is that it was a big day when Paramount 
Pictures' movies were finally allowed in Kuwait)
tod
response 23 of 89: Mark Unseen   Oct 14 17:53 UTC 2003

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cross
response 24 of 89: Mark Unseen   Oct 14 17:58 UTC 2003

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