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tsty
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plato in 2003
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Nov 11 09:22 UTC 2003 |
Was Plato right that "Only the dead have seen the end of war"?
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tsty
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response 1 of 64:
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Nov 11 09:26 UTC 2003 |
Wars are romanticized, subjects of an endless, cross-temporal,
transcultural spool of poems, songs, plays, paintings, novels,
films. The battlefield is mythologized as the furnace in which
character and nobility are forged; and, oh, what a thrill it can
be. "The rush of battle is a potent and often lethal addiction,"
writes Chris Hedges, a reporter for The New York Times who has
covered wars, in "War Is a Force That Gives Us Meaning." Even
with its destruction and carnage, he adds, war "can give us what
we long for in life."
"It can give us purpose, meaning, a reason for living," he con-
tinues.
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bru
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response 2 of 64:
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Nov 11 14:54 UTC 2003 |
There will be war. There will always be war. Because just as soon as most
of us decide to be peaceful, some jackass will see it as his opportunity to
feed his inner disease. At that point, someone is gonna have to stand up and
kick him back to the ground, or humanity is going to have to bend its knee
to the madman.
Better to die free than to live as a slave.
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happyboy
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response 3 of 64:
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Nov 11 17:11 UTC 2003 |
thank you for being willing to die for my freedom back when you
were a hero in the war, bruse.
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gull
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response 4 of 64:
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Nov 11 21:29 UTC 2003 |
The people most eager to talk about the virtues of war generally seem to
be people who have never experienced it first-hand.
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tod
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response 5 of 64:
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Nov 11 22:03 UTC 2003 |
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other
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response 6 of 64:
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Nov 12 00:39 UTC 2003 |
The rushing is people rushing out. Dead people, medevacs, you know.
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tsty
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response 7 of 64:
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Nov 12 11:23 UTC 2003 |
adrenalin rush ....
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r6048
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response 8 of 64:
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Nov 12 12:09 UTC 2003 |
hi, how do i create a new item (new topic)?
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gelinas
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response 9 of 64:
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Nov 12 12:50 UTC 2003 |
The command is "enter", r6048.
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tod
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response 10 of 64:
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Nov 12 18:14 UTC 2003 |
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jep
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response 11 of 64:
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Nov 13 02:59 UTC 2003 |
I imagine that's true, Todd, but no one writes about their experiences
while they're happening. They write about them later. Once you've
gotten through a dangerous situation, and are looking back on it, it
feels more adventurous.
War is a result of the combative, aggressive, competitive human
spirit. While there are people, there will always be war.
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other
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response 12 of 64:
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Nov 13 05:15 UTC 2003 |
One hopes you'll live long enough to be proved wrong. ;)
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tod
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response 13 of 64:
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Nov 13 19:29 UTC 2003 |
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pvn
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response 14 of 64:
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Nov 14 08:13 UTC 2003 |
Nope. When the going gets tough the tough hunker down and play the
endgame.
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gull
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response 15 of 64:
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Nov 14 14:27 UTC 2003 |
I think pulling out before there's a real, established government able
to provide law and order would be a huge mistake. I'm actually a little
worried that Bush will succumb to election year pressure to rush things.
If we pull out too early it will become a radical Islamist state and
things will be worse than when we started.
That's not to say we shouldn't ask for help. Putting more of an
international face on things might help reduce some of the gut-level
hate reaction people have towards the U.S. running their country.
We also need to start phasing in some Iraqi involvement, too, of course.
As one columnist put it, "in the history of the world no one has ever
washed a rented car." Right now the Iraqis are "renting" their country
from us; they don't feel any sense of ownership or responsibility.
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twenex
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response 16 of 64:
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Nov 14 17:12 UTC 2003 |
What gull said.
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tod
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response 17 of 64:
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Nov 14 18:10 UTC 2003 |
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twenex
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response 18 of 64:
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Nov 15 11:31 UTC 2003 |
Revelatory.
;-)
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janc
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response 19 of 64:
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Nov 16 22:33 UTC 2003 |
I don't know if there can be an end to war, but this one sure seemed far from
inevitable.
There's was a completely senseless leap taken from "September 11" to "War on
Terrorism". The whole idea of a "war on terrorism" makes no sense. Wars are
things that happen between states. Terrorism can be backed by a state, but
functions perfectly well without a state. If you succeed in a war, then you
tromp a state flat. But terrorists don't need states, so you can't defeat
terrorism via war. The only more senseless thing you could do is to declare
"War on Militarism". Terrorism is a crime, in the casse of September 11, an
organized, international crime. There are ways to deal with crime. War isn't
one of them.
Then there was a second completely senseless leap from "War on Terrorism" to
"War on Iraq".
I guess there are two senses in which War might be inevitable. First might
be because situations must necessarily arise in relationships between nations
which require war. I'm far from convinced that that is true. Second might
be because there are some udder-fudging idiots who actually like having wars,
and will do their blondy best to start one on the thinnest pretext.
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twenex
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response 20 of 64:
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Nov 16 22:35 UTC 2003 |
I agree totally.
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other
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response 21 of 64:
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Nov 16 22:58 UTC 2003 |
'specially with the 'udder-fudging' and 'blondy' parts. ;)
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keesan
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response 22 of 64:
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Nov 17 00:44 UTC 2003 |
These are only sequels to War on Poverty and War on Drugs.
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glenda
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response 23 of 64:
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Nov 17 00:54 UTC 2003 |
I guess that the government thinks that if we can have a "war on poverty" and
a "war on drugs," we can have a war on anything.
Stupid.
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twenex
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response 24 of 64:
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Nov 17 05:00 UTC 2003 |
War on Anything, eh? What a concept.
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