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willcome
ARBORNET Mark Unseen   Nov 6 19:04 UTC 2003

Arbornet's dead: 
http://www.cis.state.mi.us/bcs_corp/dt_corp.asp?id_nbr=700873&name_entity=A
RBO
RNET

LINK COURTESY OF JP@ JAMES PATRICK "JAY" HOWARD
46 responses total.
richard
response 1 of 46: Mark Unseen   Nov 6 19:08 UTC 2003

automatic dissolution? what happened, nobody remembered to renew the
paperwork?
goose
response 2 of 46: Mark Unseen   Nov 6 19:10 UTC 2003

So, what now?
willcome
response 3 of 46: Mark Unseen   Nov 6 19:17 UTC 2003

DON"T LOOK TO ME FOR GUIDANCE< I"M JUST PROPAGATING THE LINK!
goose
response 4 of 46: Mark Unseen   Nov 6 19:17 UTC 2003

It was more of a rhetorical question......
jp2
response 5 of 46: Mark Unseen   Nov 6 19:23 UTC 2003

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richard
response 6 of 46: Mark Unseen   Nov 6 19:41 UTC 2003

how can m-net continue to operate given that its corporation, arbornet,
was automatically dissolved as of 10/01/03?  There is no longer an
Arbornet, therefore the board of directors no longer exists as a legal
entity. It would seem that mnet's equipment is now owned by whoever
physically possesses it.  The hardware can't be owned by the members of a
company that no longer exists.  In fact, if a corporation has been legally
dissolved, would they not have been legally required to liquidate all
assets before the dissolution date?  I don't think the state of Michigan
would be happy to see a corporation still functioning after its
dissolution date.  Couldn't there be fines involved 

I would think mnet's hardware and operations need to be owned and operated
by a 501(3)(c).  Perhaps the users of mnet should ask Cyberspace Inc.
(Grex) to take over ownership of the hardware and become mnet's new parent
company.  Surely that is preferable to m-net becoming owned by any single
person.  

But then again, establishing who has the legal right to buy or acquire
mnet's properties would seem to be a difficult question to answer until
you know who actually owns it now.  Arbornet doesn't own it anymore,
arbornet doesn't exist anymore.  
willcome
response 7 of 46: Mark Unseen   Nov 6 19:42 UTC 2003

I'd rather have jp2 own it than Grex!
./
remmers
response 8 of 46: Mark Unseen   Nov 6 19:48 UTC 2003

I don't know the legalities, but the questions in #6 definitely need
to be addressed.

Too bad.  Hope m-net doesn't disappear as a result.  Regardless of
what one may think of m-net's quality over the last few years, we
need all the free speech forums we can get.
tod
response 9 of 46: Mark Unseen   Nov 6 19:48 UTC 2003

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richard
response 10 of 46: Mark Unseen   Nov 6 20:06 UTC 2003

I noticed in mnet's policy conf that a board meeting for November was
scheduled.  They should not have a board meeting, because it would be
illegal to do so.  Such meetings would be seen by the state as evidence of
continuing operation as a company past the date it was legally dissolved.
Those who WERE members of the board of Arbornet could get themselves in
legal trouble if they met in any official capacity under the
circumstances.  They would no longer be authorized to sell or give mnet's
assets to jp2 or cyberspace inc. or anybody else.

I'd suggest a committee of mnet's users be formed, and that committee-
claiming to act on behalf of the users of mnet-- can seek legal advice.  

Also, as arbornet inc. has been dissolved, mnet probably needs to cease
using the "arbornet.org" domain name asap.  That domain name is registered
to the dissolved corporation, and its continued use could be seen by the
state as evidence of continued operation of that dissolved corporation.
Which would obviously now be illegal.  The state could levy fines and/or
seize whatver assets are left.  
polygon
response 11 of 46: Mark Unseen   Nov 6 20:23 UTC 2003

Um, our synagogue failed to file renewal papers for a number of years.
I noticed this fact and brought it to the attention of the administration
there.  Some late fees were paid, and the paperwork brought up to date.

So, this is not necessarily a catastrophe for M-Net.
cross
response 12 of 46: Mark Unseen   Nov 6 20:37 UTC 2003

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rcurl
response 13 of 46: Mark Unseen   Nov 6 20:48 UTC 2003

I agree with polygon and cross. The posting doesn't mean much, but they
better get in their reports (and payments). 

Articles of Incorporation normally list the distribution of assets of
a corporation in the event of its dissolution. 
tod
response 14 of 46: Mark Unseen   Nov 6 21:05 UTC 2003

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jp2
response 15 of 46: Mark Unseen   Nov 6 21:14 UTC 2003

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tod
response 16 of 46: Mark Unseen   Nov 6 21:24 UTC 2003

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other
response 17 of 46: Mark Unseen   Nov 6 21:52 UTC 2003

Three years delinquent?  No wonder.  So, who's paying the co-lo 
bills?
tod
response 18 of 46: Mark Unseen   Nov 6 22:21 UTC 2003

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naftee
response 19 of 46: Mark Unseen   Nov 6 23:19 UTC 2003

Michigan State law sucks.
jep
response 20 of 46: Mark Unseen   Nov 7 03:42 UTC 2003

Richard raced over to M-Net to give us all advice because this story 
was so exciting to him.  Fortunately, it looks like the Arbornet board 
is taking a slower approach to the oversight.  M-Net is still on-line 
and accessible via the corporate domain, arbornet.org, as it should 
be.  Aside from jp2, richard and between 2 and 8 Canadian teenager 
clones, no one is much excited over there.
mynxcat
response 21 of 46: Mark Unseen   Nov 7 04:16 UTC 2003

You forgot twinkie. He seems to be raising quite a fuss too. I'm not sure if
it's tongue in cheek in his case, though.
rcurl
response 22 of 46: Mark Unseen   Nov 7 04:18 UTC 2003

The Michigan Resident Agent for a corporation does not have to be
an officer or a board member. He/she does not even have to be a "member".
However the resident agent *must* be a reliable contact person for the
delivery of official material from the State to the corporation. 
jp2
response 23 of 46: Mark Unseen   Nov 7 13:12 UTC 2003

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remmers
response 24 of 46: Mark Unseen   Nov 7 14:23 UTC 2003

Could it be a toaster?  A sump pump?  A George Foreman grill?
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