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brenner
What is the River? Mark Unseen   May 9 13:38 UTC 1995



This is an informational topic.

124 responses total.
selena
response 1 of 124: Mark Unseen   May 11 01:42 UTC 1995

        Well, it's wet.
raven
response 2 of 124: Mark Unseen   May 11 05:54 UTC 1995

        It is not the same river you steped in (assuming you bothered
to step in it).
thanne
response 3 of 124: Mark Unseen   May 12 03:19 UTC 1995

What's that I smell?

I smell home cooking!
It's only the river
it's only the river
selena
response 4 of 124: Mark Unseen   May 12 04:46 UTC 1995

        Wet home cooking..
vsclyne
response 5 of 124: Mark Unseen   May 12 16:23 UTC 1995

The River is up to 200 members and it's still in pre-alpha
test phase.  But there is a downside to carrying in (unavoidably)
Well baggage.  The River may yet thrash itself to death.

remmers
response 6 of 124: Mark Unseen   May 12 22:09 UTC 1995

Ah -- The River is a cyberspacean entity, you are saying?  Tell me
more, in this informational item.
selena
response 7 of 124: Mark Unseen   May 13 22:21 UTC 1995

        Fine. A wet cyberspacean entity.
nephi
response 8 of 124: Mark Unseen   May 16 05:08 UTC 1995

I telneted to river.org, and they didn't let me in.  They said I 
had to be a "member" but didn't tell me what I would get or how 
I could become a member.  

I don't think they want me there.
selena
response 9 of 124: Mark Unseen   May 16 12:10 UTC 1995

                "..but the river is wide, and to far to cross.."
vsclyne
response 10 of 124: Mark Unseen   May 16 15:42 UTC 1995

<nephi>, we want you on the River, really we do.  I think our
two communities should have ambassadors to each other, study
each other's cultural peculiarities, explore the possibilities
for trade, negotiate peace treaties, and develop reciprocal
immigration laws.  Just pledge $100 for the first year's
membership and I'll take care of it.  (There's a $20/month
user's fee too, but it's waived during the alpha test period.)

thanne
response 11 of 124: Mark Unseen   May 16 16:01 UTC 1995

It's because we're in the alpha period and not really and truly open.
But Shannon is one of the River Gods, so he'll fix you up.
vsclyne
response 12 of 124: Mark Unseen   May 17 04:33 UTC 1995

Hey!  River God!  I kinda like that.

brenner
response 13 of 124: Mark Unseen   May 17 06:52 UTC 1995



Neptune

nephi
response 14 of 124: Mark Unseen   May 17 08:56 UTC 1995

Oooh . . . a hundred dollars?  Can I make installments on that?
vsclyne
response 15 of 124: Mark Unseen   May 17 15:21 UTC 1995

Not Neptune; Tiberinus, maybe.  But that's not ancient enough.  Who
knows the Egyptian God of the Nile?  What about the Babylonian
God of the Tigris? Or the Euphrates.  We need root authenticity here.

thanne
response 16 of 124: Mark Unseen   May 21 02:36 UTC 1995

You can make installments.  Also it's only a pledge for now.  No place
to send the money to yet, I don't think...?  If there is, I'm delinquent.

But we knew that.
mdw
response 17 of 124: Mark Unseen   May 21 15:43 UTC 1995

This is in case you aren't familiar with the egyptian gods.

Tmu, or Atmu, is the closer of the day or night.  Nefer-Atmu, the son of
Ptah and Sekhmit or Bast, represents the power of the heat of the rising
son.

Her-Pa-Khart, "horus the child", represents the morning sun.

Horus, the moring sun, son of Isis and Osiris, is "the avenger of his
father".

Ra, the sun-god, was also the creator of gods and men.

Menthu-Ra is the old war-god of Hermonthis.

Menu, or Min, formerly read Khem and Amsu, represnts the "generation" or
productive power in nature.

Khnemu, is the "moulder"; usually represented making man out of clay on
a potter's wheel.

Ptah, the "opener", the father of the gods (who came forth from his
eye), and of men (who came forth from his mouth).

Iemhetep (the imouthis of the greeks), was the first-born son of Ptah
and Nut.

Thoth, or Tchehuti, the "measurer", was the scribe of the gods, the
measurer of time, and inventor of writing and numbers.  Since writing
was one of the main foundation stones of egyptian society, this god was
obviously an important one to the egyptians.

Set, or Sut, or Setesh, was one of the sons of Geb and Nut, and the
brother of Osiris, and husband of Nephthys.  Originally popular between
the V & XIXth dynasty's, by about the XXVth dynasty "something
happened", and he became the personification of all evil.

Osiris, the great god and king of the underworld, the judge of the dead,
was the son of geb and nut, and husband of Isis.

Isis was a daughter of Geb and Nut, and married her brother Osiris.

Nephythys was another daughter of Geb and Nut, and married her brother
Set.

Anubis was, according to some legends, the son of Nephthys and Osiris,
but elsewhere is said to be the son of Ra.  He presided over the
embalming of the mummy, led the mummy into the presence of Osiris, and
watched over the ceremony of the weighing of the heart.

Shu and his sister Tefnut were emanations of Temu or Khepera.  Shu
typified light, heat and air, and Tefnut moisture.

Hapi, or originally Hepr, is the god of the Nile.

Khensu was, under the New Kingdom, associated with Amen-Ra and Mut in
the Theban triad, and was god of the moon.

Amen-Ra was originally the local God of Thebes, but subsequently became
the natioanl god of Egypt.

Apis, or Hapi, "the second life of Ptah", and the incarnation of Osiris,
was the name given to the sacred bull of Memphis.

The Mnevis bull was worshipped at Heliopolis, and is thought by some to
represent the same symbolism.

Mesta, Hapi, Tuamutef and Qebhsenuf, are the four children of Horus.

Sati, Anquit, and Khnemu formed the triad of Elephantine.  Sati seems to
resemble Nephthys in some of her attributes.

Sebek represented the destroying power of the sun.

Anher, "the leader of the celestial regions" which Shu supports.

Bes seems to have had a sort of double character.  He's represented as a
grotesque person with bandy legs, and he wears a crown of feathers and a
leapard skin.  As a warrior, or the god of war, he is armed with a sword
and shield, and sometimes a bow; he was also the god of music and the
dance, and as such was often represented as half-man, half-animal,
playing a harp, or striking cymbals together and dancing.  It is thought
he repesented the destructive powers of nature.

Sekhmit was the wife of Ptah, and the mother of Nefer Atmu and
I-em-hetep; she was the second person of the triad of Memphis.  She
represented the violent heat of the sun and its destroying power, and in
this capacity destroyed the souls of the wicked in the underworld.

Bast represented the heat of the sun in its softened form as the
producer of vegetation.  Properly speaking, the head of a cat is her
distinguishing characteristic.  She was chiefly worshipped at Bubastis.

Menhit represented the pwower of light or heat, or both.

Mut, the world-mother, was the wife of Amen, and the second member of
the Theban triad; she is also called the "lad of Asher".

Net, or Neith, the "Weaver" or "Shooter", also a mother-goddess, was a
counterpart of the goddess Mut, and was also identified with Hathor.

Maat, the "duaghter of Ra and mistress of the gods", symbolized Law.

Hathor, or "het-hert", is identified with Nut, the sky, or place in
which she brought forth and suckled Horus; she was the wife of Atmu, a
form of Ra.

Nu was the god of the sky, and the husband of Nut.

Nut was the sky, the wife of Geb, and mother of Osiris, Isis, Set,
Nephthys, Anubis, Shu, and Tefnut.

Geb was the husband of Nut, the sky, and father of Osiris, Isis, and the
other gods of that cycle.

Serqit, daughter of Ra, wife of Horus, and identified with Sesheta and
Isis, symbolized the scorching heat of the sun.

Maahes is sometimes represented as a man, lion-headed, wearing a disk
and uraeus.

Seker, or Socharis, a form of the night-sun, oftne represented as a man,
hawk-headed.

Ta-urt, or Thoueris, was the wife of Set.  She's usually represented
with the head and body of a hippopotamus, the hind quarters of a lion,
and the tail of a crocodile.

Sefekh-Aabu, or Sesheta, is a form of the goddess Hathor that was
worshipped in Hermopolis, and also adored in Memphis.

Neheb-ka, is a god mentioned in the book of the dead.  He's represnted
with the head of a serpent.

The egyptians aren't much noted for change; indeed, as one of the first
great bureaucracies based on writing, they were very conservative
indeed.  Nevertheless, as they started off as the conglomeration of many
different local river settlements, different gods were worshipped in
different places, with different tales being told of them.  And, as time
went on, different gods would come in & out of fashion, or similar gods
from different places would be confused with each other.
juls
response 18 of 124: Mark Unseen   May 21 18:16 UTC 1995

Good God <says juls ironically>; Professor Clyne has been upstaged by
Fact. How could a dreamed-up mythology (one conference on The River)
possibly compete with that Who's Who of the Original Riverpudlians?

What an inspiring cast of characters!

brighn
response 19 of 124: Mark Unseen   May 21 23:32 UTC 1995

Aaaaaagh! <brighn whacks #17 a hundred and fifty times with a wet noodle>

Stick to the Kmetian Neteru names or stick to the GraecoRoman Egyptian 
names, but for dieties sake don't mix them!  You wouldn't want to piss off
Aset!
thanne
response 20 of 124: Mark Unseen   May 22 04:58 UTC 1995

Wow.  Marcus is so cool. 

How do you know so much about Egyptian Gods? (say it w/ a British
accent) ( and don't say "a king 'as to know these things")
juls
response 21 of 124: Mark Unseen   May 22 23:38 UTC 1995

<juls bows in deep reverence to Marcus Watts -- the God of the Garbage
Mind.>

thanne
response 22 of 124: Mark Unseen   May 23 06:55 UTC 1995

Is that what you call it?  we call it mental fat.  But we mean it in
a good way.
juls
response 23 of 124: Mark Unseen   May 23 15:54 UTC 1995


Well, I like the metaphor of the old-fashioned kitchen garbage can;
I imagine my mind (and Marcus' to a much richer and deeper degree)
to have a whole lot of this-and-that dumped in it: the coffee grounds
of astrophysics  are sprinkled over the eggshells of the Mozart
Requiem, which lie next to the banana peel of the index to River
gods, etc. 

The question is really one of retrieval, and Marcus has (naturally)
mastered that. I'm still working on it; the perfection of the 
retrieval system is in a race with the constant collection of yet
more data.  (No wonder I get migraines.)

I have to go lie down now.

mdw
response 24 of 124: Mark Unseen   May 24 22:11 UTC 1995

My secret is to keep lots and lots of books.  Then it's a simple matter
of finding the right book, rather than of actually wasting the time to
(a) memorize the stuff, and (b) recall it on demand.

The only problem is, I've long since run out of bookshelf space.
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