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davroz
Parking Rates 60 Cents/Hour Now. Mark Unseen   Mar 22 08:50 UTC 1995

So there I was, enjoying my usual rant about how unfair Ann Arbor parking
policy was when, speak of the devil, I hear on the news that Ingrid Sheldon
our beloved Mayor, has just OK'ed another ten cent per hour hike in metered
parking rates, in her words, "To fund the increasing costs of maintaining
downtown street-level parking at a time when demand for such parking is high."
Funny, but was I the only person who didn't hear about the city council's vote
on this?  Did they go out of their way to publicize this "debate"?  Here's a
list of my personal grievances.  See if you can add any.

--The degree of over-charging for parking in any urban area directly impacts
  the desirability to shop/work/park in such areas. Simply put, if you want
  to kill your downtown businesses, keep jacking up the rates.

--Though attended parking structures may be slightly safer, at least one 
  restaurant owner I've spoken to says the increased length of metered hours
  at a nearby structure has cut into their evening business.  Many structures
  and attended lots downtown now charge as late as 10, 11 or even midnight.

--The so-called "grace period" of one hour post-ticketing ($3.00 if paid 
  within one hour) is a joke.  Getting downtown, finding spaces near the city
  hall (metered, of course, except for a few in front of the building) during
  hours when the cashier is there or the drive-up window is open can be an
  experience that may make the extra two dollars seem worthwhile.  Question:
  If you get ticketed at a quarter to six, how are you supposed to pay within
  on hour when all the cashiers have gone home?  Alright, so there's a
  validation clock in the front lobby, what if you don't have three dollars
  cash to stick in the envelope?

--A guy in Chicago just came up with the most brilliant device: a meter with a
  sensor which can tell when it's space is no longer occupied so that it can 
  immediately erase any residual time.  No more free minutes at the last guyys 
  expense, lot's of extra dough for the city.  We know that can't be long in 
  coming to our always well-maintained parking system.  Tell me, if they can
  come up with pleasers like this, why did I just lose 25 cents Canadian in 
  our oh-so-modern meters?  Heck, I can't count the number of U.S. coins that
  failed to buy me more than a wrist fracture from the beating I gave the meter
  when the time didn't register.  How about a meter which dispenses the differe
  difference to the parker when he leaves his space?  How about a meter-card
  like the library copiers--stick it in, meter's on, put it in again when you
  leave and it debits your card or your city parking account just like your
  water bill. Forget to punch in or out and the nice meter maid can ticket you.
  Simple enough?  We're looking for a few good geniuses...
145 responses total.
davroz
response 1 of 145: Mark Unseen   Mar 22 08:55 UTC 1995

Friggin' 'puter ate my last line.

  ...debits your card or your city parking account, just like your gas or
  watter bill.  If you fail to punch in or out, the nice meter maid can ticket
  you.
kami
response 2 of 145: Mark Unseen   Mar 24 21:05 UTC 1995

gee Davroz, I like the card idea.  It makes sense. They'll never go for it.
brenner
response 3 of 145: Mark Unseen   Mar 29 08:18 UTC 1995




(This topic now linked to the accordion conference i the interest
of  cross-continent relations. Feel free to
link one of ours!)
vsclyne
response 4 of 145: Mark Unseen   Mar 29 14:04 UTC 1995

Ah Brenner, that explains it.  I was having that "we're not in
Kansas anymore" feeling.  But what do accordions and parking
meters have in common.  Marcus, where are you?  We need your
wisdom to sort this one out.

(Wondering how the picodad became such an expert on accordions.)

brenner
response 5 of 145: Mark Unseen   Mar 29 14:15 UTC 1995



All of us, musicians, tourists, writers and theives, we must all
pay the piper.
juls
response 6 of 145: Mark Unseen   Mar 29 16:48 UTC 1995

Excuse me, but accordion players are only allowed in the Altar Guild
Auxiliary of Musicians. They may turn pages during recitals, they may
empty French horns during intermissions, they may look for oboe reeds
in the marshes. That's it.

No pretensions to full membership, please; it could get ugly.
vsclyne
response 7 of 145: Mark Unseen   Mar 29 18:51 UTC 1995

Got that right!

And I forgot about emptying french horns.
God, am I glad I play the piano.

srw
response 8 of 145: Mark Unseen   Mar 29 21:07 UTC 1995

So... In the interest of cross continent relations...
What do you California folks pay to park on the street?
juls
response 9 of 145: Mark Unseen   Mar 30 00:21 UTC 1995

In Santa Cruz, it's 25 cents a quarter hour in the choicest tourist locales.
And a breath-taking $26 ticket for going over the limit.

But then, we had a devastating earthquake in '89 and have been in a
depression ever since.
brenner
response 10 of 145: Mark Unseen   Mar 30 00:55 UTC 1995


My office here in pasadena: $10.00 max (3 hours=$10.00)

Down in front of Starbucks in Old Town  25 cents for 15 minutes. Meter.
mdw
response 11 of 145: Mark Unseen   Mar 30 02:37 UTC 1995

One of the nice things about Ann Arbor is it's *Small*, and *Walkable*.
That means, for instance, that I can park, for free, on the streets very
near work (at most 2 blocks away), and I can then walk to virtually any
location downtown with only modest effort.  Some of the best resturants
in Ann Arbor are located on main street; only 5 minutes on foot.  The
state street shopping district and environs (including Border's main
store), is only 15 minutes away.  The south U shopping district is only
20 minutes away, and that's clear on the other side of downtown.  So, by
& large, it's perfectly feasible to beat the a^2 parking system, *AND*
stay healthy!
brenner
response 12 of 145: Mark Unseen   Mar 30 05:59 UTC 1995


You have starbucks?
brenner
response 13 of 145: Mark Unseen   Mar 30 05:59 UTC 1995



Sushi?
srw
response 14 of 145: Mark Unseen   Mar 30 06:39 UTC 1995

No Starbucks. We do have two Sushi places (Fuji and Miki).

I'm glad you linked this. People will stop complaining about
another 10 cents an hour on the meters.

Oh, I should also mention rodents. We have a great supply of them here
in the woods. (I saw you mention an interest earlier.)
humdog
response 15 of 145: Mark Unseen   Mar 30 10:43 UTC 1995


the city of santa cruz once had the nerve to ticket my 
silver porsche because i was talking to kryan and sdober and juls
for more than three hours.

we were annoyed.

brenner
response 16 of 145: Mark Unseen   Mar 30 13:30 UTC 1995



(The silver porsche figures prominently in the
Story of the Abduction of the Roden, but those
days are long gone. Gone, but not forgotten!)


IF I live in a place where I could see the Tragically Hip
in a live performance, I'd never complain about parking meters.
juls
response 17 of 145: Mark Unseen   Mar 30 16:47 UTC 1995

Indeed. And hummers, I don't think I told you, but I got a ticket that
day, too. It was shortly thereafter that the decision was made to blow this
taco stand.
humdog
response 18 of 145: Mark Unseen   Mar 30 16:53 UTC 1995



the silver porsche is lovely and nearly collectable,
AND it is not here with me in colorado, simply
because colorado Is Not Worthy.

raven
response 19 of 145: Mark Unseen   Mar 30 20:49 UTC 1995

        No Starbuks here in A2 but enough another other cafes and variuos
        coffee
shops to leave you sick and reeling with cafiene poisoning
brenner
response 20 of 145: Mark Unseen   Mar 30 20:52 UTC 1995




If, perchance, one of us stopped by  A2, what sorts of 
things would we see and do?
mdw
response 21 of 145: Mark Unseen   Mar 31 05:38 UTC 1995

The ark.

more book stores per capita than anywhere else.

Grex walks.

the Chenille sisters.

A large variety of community activites listed in the Observer.
(Samples: "Group Improvisation: Improvisatinal Theater as a Model for
Teamwork"  "ArtT"alks: U-M Museum of Art." "Caves to Cathedrals:
ArtVentures Studio"  "Jugglers of Ann Arbor" "The Foundation of All
Perfection:Jewel Heart Buddhist Center", "Richard Cambrindge: Ann Arbor
Poetry Slam" "Ann Arbor Singles Ballroom Dancers" "(film) Fellini
Satyricon"

Assorted talks & seminars at the University.

a wide variety of restaurants, some of them quite good.  Includes
chinese, indian, japanese, ethiopian, middle-east, greek, german, and
other offerings.

Zingermans deli.

Various more ordinary coffee places.  ERC & sweet waters seem to be the
best.
raven
response 22 of 145: Mark Unseen   Mar 31 06:19 UTC 1995

        You forgot Thai food, and walk in the arb (more scenic than Golden
Gate park, we have a river).
mdw
response 23 of 145: Mark Unseen   Mar 31 07:32 UTC 1995

Did not!  (Where do *you* take your grex walks?)
brenner
response 24 of 145: Mark Unseen   Mar 31 08:06 UTC 1995



Used book stores too?
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