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CHS Freshman applications being accepted next week Mark Unseen   Apr 6 03:15 UTC 1994

        Community Hich School will begin accepting applications for next
years Freshman class on Monday, April 11.  That's next week.  As a means
of addressing the problem of a huge line that we had last year prospective
students have been required to go through an "informed decision making
process," which included a meeting with Community students and teachers,
spending the day at the school going to classes and being shown various
classrooms and offices, and a few other things.  Also, this year fifty
percent of the new students will come from a lottery while the other fifty
will come from waiting in line.  Last year it was 80% line and 20%
lottery.
        The line started 24 hours before applications began being
accepted last year, and is expected to possibly start earlier this year. 
Last year, as the line was happening in a blizzard, people were let into
the building after the school finished for the day so they wouldn't freeze
outside.  This year applications will begin being accepted on a Monday in
order to minimize disruptions to the school during preceding days (unless
the line starts before the weekend).  Last year's demand for more
alternative schools prompted the school board to vote to add a second
alternative high school to the district, but a new, more conservative,
board scrapped the school when it was in its final stages of being set up.
        Is anybody here planning on trying to get into Community next
year?  What solutions are there to the problem of very high demand for the
small alternative schools?  Is a wait in line system really the best
method of alocating spots in these schools?
97 responses total.
scg
response 1 of 97: Mark Unseen   Apr 6 03:17 UTC 1994

aaypsi item 30 is now linked to genx item 18.
other
response 2 of 97: Mark Unseen   Apr 6 03:57 UTC 1994

It strikes me that enough parents are willing to wait overnight in line to
enroll their kids, then enough parents ought to be willing to make enough]
noise to ensure that an additional alternative school remains a goal of the
school board.  100% lottery, and if you don't like it, then vote in a school
board who will make it unnecessary!
carson
response 3 of 97: Mark Unseen   Apr 6 05:45 UTC 1994

I don't understand why Community is the "alternative" and Pioneer and
Huron are considered the "norm". If the school board had any sort of clue
as to run a school system (which they don't, and it's not a requirement
for election either), they'd switch school-styles between the three.
chelsea
response 4 of 97: Mark Unseen   Apr 6 12:54 UTC 1994

There is a lot of politics behind this issue.  A whole lot.
Many parents did lobby the School Board for an expanded alternative
system.  But there are a lot of parents in the traditional schools
who see the alternatives as very threatening - soaking up the best
teachers, getting too much attention, and (erroneously) as getting
disproportionately greater funding.  So they started lobbying for
any "support" to be directed to the mega-schools.

It didn't take long for prospective School Board candidates to realize
that whoever jumped on the "big school" slate would get the "big school"
votes.  So the conservative slate made a lot of noise about down-grading
the importance of alternatives, and in the case of a couple of candidates,
even helped whip up the frenzy over how threatening the "alternative"
cause was to traditional schools.  The conservative School Board slate
won, bigtime. 

So now you have these elected officials trying to deal with the demand,
fully aware that *all* research related to this issue shows kids
learn better in smaller schools, and denying the administration's 
fiscal report showing Community High is no more expensive, per 
student, than the mega-schools. But they ran on an anti-alternative
platform.  What to do?

They went on retreat, formed a list of priorities, and ignored
the demand for expanded alternatives in Ann Arbor.  So if you
want to attend Community High School you'd better be in line
at least 2 days before the doors open.  Bring a lunch. 
srw
response 5 of 97: Mark Unseen   Apr 6 14:44 UTC 1994

It sounds like the misinformation or disinformation has to do with money.
All the campaigning was about the fact that CHS costs more per student
than Pioneer. I don't have any info, so I can only believe what people
tell me. Believe it! It doesn't matter what the facts are.
Everyone I know believes that CHS is more expensive, and most of them
resent it greatly. That's why we have a conservative school board that
almost everyone here seems to resent so greatly. That's why the second
alternative was killed. Prove to the Ann Arbor voters that CHS doesn't
cost more than Pioneer per student, and you may be able to change the
makeup of the board next election.
kami
response 6 of 97: Mark Unseen   Apr 6 16:15 UTC 1994

It seems to me that money is just a front for a reactionary political agenda
in this case.  It's easier to convince most people that their money is being
wasted than that their kids are in danger of being "corrupted" (whatever that
means).  If you look at the loudest voices behind this propaganda campaign, 
you might find out that it's the same bunch who shot down the Michigan Model
health ed. curriculum and any other liberal/progressive changes that have come
along in recent years.  I find them a bit scary.
chelsea
response 7 of 97: Mark Unseen   Apr 6 16:49 UTC 1994

I could dig out the specifics on cost per student but instead I'll
wait for Steve Gibbard to do it.  He's got the numbers, I'm sure.

Part of the pity about the emphasis on cost per student is that
in order to make the numbers clearly reflect how equal funding is
Community will be forced to drastically reduce or eliminate the number
of students from the big schools who come to Community for special
classes, such as Jazz band, certain math courses, and the fine
art curriculum.  There are many times more students coming in for
classes than going out, yet Community can't count these students
toward their costs.  So they'll soon be eliminated.  Sad, but 
necessary.
chelsea
response 8 of 97: Mark Unseen   Apr 6 16:55 UTC 1994

Also, the second alternative, as designed and presented to the School
Board, was going to cost *less* per student than any of the other
four high schools in town.  This was clearly stated and backed up 
by the administration bean counters.  The School Board didn't want to
hear about it so they ignored it.  It wasn't what they wanted to hear,
quite clearly.  That particular School Board meeting was a real stitch
to watch.
scg
response 9 of 97: Mark Unseen   Apr 6 20:33 UTC 1994

        I've got the numbers -- somewhere.  If I've got them on my hard
drive I should be able to get them as soon as I have time.  If they're on
paper somewhere, I will probably never find them (but I can always get
them from the school).  Anyway, the figures I have are from last fall when
all that was going on and do not reflect the budget cuts that have
happened since then.  The situation last fall was that, if every five
classes taken at Community by a dual enrollee was counted as one
additional Community student, and every five classes taken at another
school by a Community student was counted as one less Community student,
Huron spent the most, Pioneer the least, and Community was somewhere in
the middle.  Mei Mei Uy, when presented with these figures, changed the
motion to not include dual enrollees, calling the numbers with dual
enrollment too hard to calculate (despite the calculations already having
been done).
        On the subject of the line, as of about 45 minutes ago nobody was
lining up yet, but there were some car loads of people parked out in front
of the school and more cars driving around the block.  If the line does
start early nobody will be allowed on school property until after 4:00
Friday, according to Dean Bob Galardi, and people will only be allowed to
spend the weekend in the building if the temperature goes below 20 degrees
or possibly if it is raining or snowing.  If there is reasonable weather
the school can not afford to pay security guards to handle the crowd
inside the building.
carson
response 10 of 97: Mark Unseen   Apr 6 21:13 UTC 1994

The receptionist where I work is serving a shift for a parent who wants her
kid to get in. I was also approached by a research assistant who wanted to
make sure an important document makes its way out tomorrow, as she'll be
standing in line...

This is sick.
curby
response 11 of 97: Mark Unseen   Apr 7 00:09 UTC 1994

For anyone that will be waiting to look at the school, don't forget to
stop by the school paper office.  With the current batch of writers
starting to leave, The Communicator will be needing new people to keep it
going.  So stop by.  And don't forget to bring your ideas for new TOP TEN
LISTS!
vidar
response 12 of 97: Mark Unseen   Apr 7 02:50 UTC 1994

scg, No offense, but I think it may be partially your fault people began 
lining up five days early.
scg
response 13 of 97: Mark Unseen   Apr 7 03:46 UTC 1994

        I had the cost figures earlier when the disk got filled.  I would
post them now but I'm too tired to look them up again, so I'll post them
tomorrow.  Last time I drove past the line, about half an hour ago, there
were more cars out there that obviously had people in them, but still *no
line*.  It should be stressed that *nobody* has lined up yet.  There are
only people waiting for the line to start.  And vidar, if the line did
start five days early, why would it be my fault?
srw
response 14 of 97: Mark Unseen   Apr 7 06:10 UTC 1994

There are a lot of Pioneer kids who want to take classes at CHS simply 
because they know that CHS has decent teachers in some subject, while
Pioneer does not. Why does Pioneer have poorer teachers than Community?
Why are kids who don't want or need the other features CHS offers forced 
to fight their way into CHS (displacing kids who would benefit more from 
all of CHS's features) just to avoid the teacher problems at Pioneer?
sun
response 15 of 97: Mark Unseen   Apr 7 12:17 UTC 1994

Actually, from what I hear, CHS is more...realxed than Pioneer.  You
do not get killed for walking w/o a hall pass, and there is a longer lunch
hour.  They want an easy year or so, and they want looser teachers.
cicero
response 16 of 97: Mark Unseen   Apr 7 18:35 UTC 1994

I went to a private school and have believed since I was like 6 years old
that the public school system as it exists today is totally unworkable.
I am often criticized for this belief, but when I see situations like this,
I can only hang my head, sigh, and wish that more people had the means to
opt out of the public school system entirely.

By the way, when did things get so bad at Ann Arbor public schools?  When
I was in highschool I recall hearing that they were up there with
Birmingham and Grosse Pointe as the best around.


carson
response 17 of 97: Mark Unseen   Apr 7 19:20 UTC 1994

re #16: probably because they forgot that students are the reason
        the schools are there, IMO.
vidar
response 18 of 97: Mark Unseen   Apr 7 19:53 UTC 1994

Re#13: This item.  And I only said *partially* your fault.  I also said
"may," which, as much as you want to think it does, does not mean "is".
kami
response 19 of 97: Mark Unseen   Apr 7 20:10 UTC 1994

Maybe those of us who recognize the obvious misinformation coming from the
board should do something to get more folks to pay attention.  With sufficient
numbers, it might be possible to get accountability if not to get rid of
certain unnamed obstacles on the board.
vidar
response 20 of 97: Mark Unseen   Apr 7 20:32 UTC 1994

I've heard of people complaining to the Superintendent about the line.
The person(s) they should be complaining to is the School Board.
If it was not for the assinine plots of the School Board, some of this
stuff would not be happening.  Secondly, the line would be much
shorter,
scg
response 21 of 97: Mark Unseen   Apr 7 21:07 UTC 1994

        For those who haven't heard yet, the line actually got started at
around 4:30 this morning.  Within about four or five hours those who were
going to get in through the wait in line part (half of the admission is by
lottery) were probably there, and many of the people who came after that
were deciding to just take their chances with the lottery rather than
spending four days in line.  Many people expressed unhappiness with the
situation, and Dean Bob Galardi said he will be supporting a full lottery
for next year.
chelsea
response 22 of 97: Mark Unseen   Apr 7 23:06 UTC 1994

I agree.  The stand-in-line system, when taken to this extreme,
is very unfair to a whole lot of people, like single parents and
those without a network of family members and employees who can
participate in such an endurance contest.

I'd bet Dean Bob will get Joetta's job at Huron next year.  Don't
quite know why he wants it but I think he'll get it.

Re: 15  Community is more relaxed.  There are no class bells.
No hall passes.  No cops.  Lunch break is an hour long because 
there is no lunch service - either you pack it and eat it in the
halls or outside or you go out and purchase something quick-like.  
Community doesn't have a true library either, mostly just reference 
materials.  Students use the UofM libraries, mostly the Grad.
Classes run all day and into the evening.  It's not unusual for
a kid to be there at 8:00 a.m., take a few morning classes, have a
couple hours of break, be back for late afternoon classes, go home
then be back again until 9:00 p.m.  Sometimes the kids stay *all day*
by choice, because that's where they want to be.  (Amazing).
There are doors on the bathroom stalls.  Students are encouranged
to stay after hours and they aren't locked out.  There are CR's, 
forum, students involved with setting school policy, higher scores
than the mega-schools, and kids wishing they could do it all again,
from the beginning.

It's not for everyone, that's for sure.  But for some it is
just what they need and that should be respected.
carson
response 23 of 97: Mark Unseen   Apr 8 00:57 UTC 1994

If Dean Bob is really leaving for Huron, then maybe it's time for
Huron and Community to trade buildings.
(idea to be developed later)
scg
response 24 of 97: Mark Unseen   Apr 8 01:04 UTC 1994

Has anybody asked Bob if he wants the Huron job?  I've heard rumors, but
Bob certainly isn't talking like somebody who's going anywhere any time
soon.  It's definately something I'll have to ask him about tomorrow (it's
been on my list for a long time, but more pressing things keep coming up).

Community does have a tiny cafeteria service, which some people use.  Most
people, however, choose not to.
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